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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (5146)3/10/2003 3:12:42 PM
From: lorne  Respond to of 15991
 
The naked truth: Protesters have run out of excuses
March 9, 2003
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Is there a columnar equivalent of Viagra? I mean, I started writing about the impending war with Iraq in late September 2001 and after 18 months I'm beginning to flag. What's even worse is I don't think I've had a new thought on Iraq in months. On Sept. 27, 2001, I addressed the argument that removing Saddam would merely result in a marginally less bloody thug:

''But a new thug is still better than letting the old thug stick around to cock snooks at you. If Saddam had been toppled [after Gulf War I], the nutter du jour would have come to power in the shadow of the cautionary tale of his predecessor.''

That's still the way I feel. That's still the best reason for killing Saddam--it teaches the most basic lesson of all: Mess with us and you're gone. In hard geopolitical terms, everything after that is a bonus: the liberation of the Iraqi people, the introduction of democracy, the beneficial effect on oil prices.

But, as I've said, I've said all that. In my first draft of this column, every paragraph began with ''As I wrote in March last year,'' ''As I wrote in June,'' ''As I wrote in October . . .'' Oh God, I thought, I must have some new material somewhere. It's one thing for the president to stagger around like a punchy old prizefighter mumbling the same old lines--''He gassed his own people''--but some of us feel a bit silly saying the same thing over and over.

The only consolation is that the anti-war crowd are having an even harder time keeping it up than I am. The ''human shields'' are leaving Iraq, having given up trying to shield anything but the remaining shreds of their dignity. ''They have the courage of their convictions,'' said one of their defenders on the radio. Au contraire, that's the one thing they don't have. They got to Baghdad only to find their Iraqi ''coordinators'' wanted to deploy them not at ''humanitarian'' facilities but at military bases. One British teacher said he was used to working with young children and would have preferred to be deployed at an orphanage. The Iraqi official tried, patiently, to explain that the orphanage has already got all the human shields it needs: They're called ''orphans.''

The bewildered Brit seemed to find this hard to follow: Here's a man who's convinced that Bush and Rumsfeld are slavering to drop a bunch of daisycutters on the orphanage and blow a ton of Iraqi moppets to kingdom come, but thinks that they'll cease and desist just because some droning Welsh leftist is sitting amongst all those inviting underage targets. It would be nice to think that these posturing ninnies will be slightly ashamed at the realization that they were no more than pathetic Saddamite stooges, but no doubt by the time they're back home their cheerleaders on the left will have restored their sense of their own heroism.

Even more telling than the human shields scramming out of town is the alarming failure of recent ''naked protests'' to get naked. Many of my fellow warmongers have mocked the nude protests mounted by the women of Marin County, cruelly pointing out that many of the bits on show are excessively dimpled and saggy. I don't see as many naked women in the course of an average week as I would wish, so I'll take what I can get. If we have to have an incoherent, anti-Western ''peace'' movement, then women showing off their hooters in support of a culture that would stone them to death for showing off their ankles is about as good as it's gonna get.

But, even by the impressive standards of risibility demonstrated by the ''peace'' movement, has there ever been a sadder ''naked protest'' than that staged this week by the students of Illinois Wesleyan University? The male ''nudes for peace'' stood around wearing their boxer shorts and, worse, little white ankle socks and sneakers. C'mon, guys, why so shy about letting us inspect your weapons of mass destruction? According to the Security Council resolution on nude protesting, it's a material breach to put material over your breech. If you don't want to take it off, maybe you should skip the naked thing entirely, stay inside and read up on what's the capital of Saudi Arabia.

Meanwhile, the celebrities keep yakking on, despite a poll indicating that celebrities pontificating on the war doesn't change the public's attitude to war, only to the celebrity. So the Screen Actors' Guild is now worrying about a new ''blacklist'' against anti-war celebrities. No such blacklist exists. Many of these guys (Ed Asner, Mike Farrell) haven't got a career to blacklist anyway. But it seems a mite inconsistent to use your celebrity status to advance your politics and then complain that your politics is impacting your celebrity status. Here, for example, is elderly rocker Chrissie Hynde on stage the other day:

''Have we gone to war yet?'' she asked sarcastically, early on. ''We f-----' deserve to get bombed. Bring it on.'' Later she yelled, ''Let's get rid of all the economic s--- this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win!''

Fair enough. Each to their own. But, if this sort of thing makes some of us less enthusiastic about buying Miss Hynde's albums or watching Martin Sheen's TV show, it's hard to see why their corporate executives shouldn't take it into account. As Miss Hynde would say, that's the economic s--- this country's all about.

So the more anti-war types are on TV, the loopier they look. The longer this non-war goes on, the more exhausted the pathetic narcissism of the ''peace'' poseurs looks. But in this weird holding pattern even the non-silly types are feeling the strain. Every time the Arabs hold a summit these days, it's like closing time at a Glasgow pub. At the Arab League meeting in Cairo, Colonel Gaddafi and Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah almost came to blows. ''Your grave awaits you!'' Abdullah told Gaddafi just before Egyptian TV pulled the plug.

In Qatar a couple of days later, the Kuwaiti foreign minister denounced the Iraqi vice president as ''an infidel and a charlatan'' and the Iraqi responded by telling the Kuwaiti, ''Shut up, you monkey. . . . Curse be upon your mustache.'' This is less offensive than ''I fart on your beard'' (a traditional Arabic expression of ill will), but only just. A couple more Arab League get-togethers and they'll be tearing each other's facial hair out.

I'll be tearing my own out if this goes on another month. This interminable non-rush to non-war is like a long, languorous, humid summer where everyone's sweaty and cranky and longing for the clouds to break and the cool, refreshing rain to fall. Bring it on, please.
suntimes.com



To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (5146)3/10/2003 5:35:05 PM
From: lorne  Respond to of 15991
 
War backers mobilize in support of U.S. Iraq policy
Effort hasn't made much of a splash, but rallies later this month may change that
Sunday, March 09, 2003
By Karen MacPherson, Post-Gazette National Bureau

WASHINGTON -- They've marched in the streets, demonstrated on college campuses and held "teach-ins" to educate people about their cause.

But who knew?

They are the supporters of a possible U.S. war against Iraq. And their activities, so far, have been much fewer and less visible than those of their antiwar counterparts.

That may be about to change. Supporters of military action against Iraq plan a national "Rally For America" weekend March 22 and 23. Details are still being worked out, but the idea is to use the weekend as a focal point for rallies in hundreds of cities and towns to demonstrate public support for President Bush's Iraq policy.

"Our purpose is to let the American people and the world know that we support our troops, that we say 'no' to terrorism, and that we want to liberate Iraq," said Bob Johnson, a member of the board of directors for Free Republic Network, a non-profit group associated with the conservative Internet bulletin board freerepublic.com.

"It's harder to get conservatives out on the streets. The problem with conservatives is that we just want to be left alone. But we've proven in the past that, with the right message and the right means, we can get conservatives out," said Johnson, whose group is one of the main organizers of "Rally For America."

William Bennett, former education secretary, former drug czar and author of books on values, believes momentum may be building for the "pro-war" movement, largely because anti-war protesters have succeeded in capturing the public spotlight.

"I think that many who have been content to be quietly supportive are starting to say, 'Hey, what's going on? These people are starting to drown out support, so we need to raise our volume a bit,' " said Bennett, who has established a pro-war group called "Americans For Victory Over Terrorism."

"My guess is that we'll hear more and more from people who support the war."

Thomas Schwartz, a Vanderbilt University political science professor, said such a development would mirror what happened during the Vietnam War era. The massive protests against U.S. participation in the war remain most memorable, but there also were major counter demonstrations, including a violent 1970 clash in the Wall Street area in New York City between blue collar workers who supported the war and anti-war demonstrators, Schwartz said.

"There were some big demonstrations in support of the Vietnam War. But many of these events were as much in response to the anti-war demonstrations," said Schwartz, whose book, "Lyndon Johnson and Europe: In the Shadow of Vietnam," is due out in April.

Many supporters of a war against Iraq are uncomfortable with considering themselves "pro-war," believing that, as Johnson says, it makes them look like "warmongers." Instead, many prefer to say they are "pro-American troops" and "pro-America."

"We agree that war is a terrible thing. But it is not the most terrible thing," said Seth Leibsohn, executive director of Americans For Victory Over Terrorism.

Unlike anti-war protesters, many of whom have coalesced under the auspices of a large group called International Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (International ANSWER), supporters of a U.S. war against Iraq haven't gathered under an umbrella organization.

But there are a growing number of "pro-war" groups, ranging from Bennett's organization, which was established shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, to Students For Protecting America, which was launched by a few Harvard Law School students just two weeks ago. Some are offshoots of conservative organizations, including Citizens United, Patriots for the Defense of America and freerepublic.com.

Still others come at the issue from a particular vantage point, such as Women For A Free Iraq, whose members fled that country's repressive regime, and MOVE-OUT! (Marines & Other Veterans Engaging Outrageous Un-American Traitors), which was founded by a Vietnam veteran determined to promote support for U.S. troops.

Pro-war groups started at colleges are sponsoring campus events and using the Internet to whip up support nationally. They include the national Students for War, United We Stand at Brandeis University and Students United For Victory at Columbia University.

Conservative talk radio hosts, particularly Glenn Beck, also have worked to promote the pro-war cause by urging people to attend rallies in several U.S. cities over the past couple of weeks. Thousands showed up for events in Cleveland, Orlando, Houston and several other cities.

An event at Point State Park scheduled for this weekend was inspired by these previous demonstrations. Amy Miller, who organized the event, stressed that it wasn't pro- anti-war but designed simply to show support for American troops.

Pro-war groups, like their anti-war counterparts, have also written countless letters to the editor and signed numerous petitions in support of their position on Iraq. Bennett's group garnered international attention with a "teach-in" in support of a war against Iraq held several weeks ago at Columbia, a center of student protest against the Vietnam War.

None of the pro-war events, however, have mustered the type of media attention as the anti-war protests in January and February, which involved millions of people. The next major anti-war protest is planned for next Saturday.

"Historically, it's been a lot more difficult to challenge the status quo. That's why the anti-war protesters are more vocal and have to resort to what some people think is an extreme message," said Cedric Johnson, a political science professor at Hobart and William Smith Colleges.

Leibsohn of Americans For Victory Against Terrorism agreed: "When you are supporting the government, you don't take to the streets too often." Yet Leibsohn added that his group believes it is vital for war supporters to become more vocal to ensure that the anti-war protesters don't take over the debate.

"Some of their objections to the war do have a tendency to create doubt in the minds of some people. And our enemies watch this and are emboldened by this," he said.

Richard Stoll, a political science professor at Rice University, said many conservatives may simply dislike the idea of marching in the streets.

"During Vietnam, the protesters were viewed by many people as scruffy and dirty. People who are willing to support the president on Iraq may be a little uncomfortable with this kind of demonstration of their support. For example, I can see Mr. Bennett addressing a crowd about this. But I don't see him marching around, carrying a sign."

Karen MacPherson can be reached at kmacpherson@nationalpress.com or 1-202-662-7075.

post-gazette.com