To: TimF who wrote (5358 ) 3/10/2003 3:47:47 PM From: Solon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7720 "The higher cost means demand goes down when you charge higher prices " You are entirely missing the point. I think (perhaps I am wrong--I am guessing) that you are trying to insert "cost" in dollars into "efficiency". In my mind, "cost" can be considered in certain economic scales of "efficiency" , but it has NOTHING to do with "efficiency" from more humanitarian perspectives. I am wondering if there is a disconnect here?? MY DISCUSSION OF ENVIRONMENTAL VALUES AND ISSUES HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH CONCEPTS OF COST. Indeed, my point WAS that inefficient methods of production which caused harmful effects were being utilized becaue of "COST" considerations rather than efficiency as regards lowering of pollution and environmental hazards."Most use of fossil fuels are somewhat inefficient but not as much as many of the alternatives. " See above. If you consider "cost" as an "efficiency", then it belongs somewhere other than in a discussion of ecological efficiency. The best financial "efficiency" would not involve any ethics..."Less harmful energy sources are usually less efficient as energy sources " By definition, your statemnet is ludicrous. Again...I can only assume that you are considering COST as a measure of ecological efficiency?? Obviously, it is not. Cost is only concerned with monetary profit--not with other human values."You can have a greater reduction of Sulfur Dioxide and Nitrogen Oxide and other pollutants for less money and effort if you aim to reduce them, rather then aim to reduce CO2 with the hope that other forms of pollution will also go down. " Not necessarily. In this case, the relationship is not based on hope but on science."Most electrical power comes from the burning of fossil fuel. " Well that is what environmentalists are trying to change. Most Canadian energy is produced by more secret methods. Listen, Tim? You won't always burn coal. Someday there will not be any?"My point was merely that protection of the environment has a price and probably will reduce gross production. In fact I would say it already has reduced production below what it would be if we were not concerned about protecting the environment " Let me try this again: Is there a shortage of hot water, heat, gas, because people are concerned about the environment?? Is there a lack of supply because suppliers have a heavy heart??