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To: one_less who wrote (5404)3/11/2003 7:06:18 AM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7720
 
The issue and motives to follow through are way more complicated than whether or not Saddam poses an immediate threat.

Much of my concern is not directly about war or no war but about how it has been presented. Bush's prime argument is the threat from Saddam. Whether you or Safire or other proponents have other, better arguments, the concern about Bush's justification still stands.

His comments at the press conference really struck me--that he's not willing to have any more terrorist victims on his watch. He's making a great show of strength in the face of fear. Strength in the face of fear is a very good thing in a President. However, he would not need so much strength if he did not have so much fear. I always recognize that he may know something I don't, but, from what has been published, his fear is excessive and unwarranted. A surfeit of fear is not a good thing in a President.

And I don't think he would hesitate for a second to declare our departure a major victory.

I agree that backing down at this point would likely be worse than going forward. I have already said so. I just hate having been put in that position. Here we are, the most powerful country in the world, stuck between a rock and a hard place, having shot ourselves in the foot. I keep hoping that there is some way to get out of this without validating the assertions of the anti-Americans, but am not sanguine. We have the Pope and now the UN Secretary General labeling our plans an international crime. And that doesn't seem to give the proponents pause...

I would like to see the Iraqis out from under Saddam. But I have no illusions that that's what this war is about. I can only hope that their lot will improve, but that is by no means assured.



To: one_less who wrote (5404)3/11/2003 1:57:19 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7720
 
Here's more on a war on behalf of the Iraqis.

Tucson, Arizona Tuesday, 11 March 2003



War of choice threatens leadership status of U.S.
By Thomas L. Friedman

I went to President Bush's White House news conference on Thursday to see how he was wrestling with the issue of Iraq.

One line he uttered captured all
the things that were troubling me about his approach. It was when he said: "When it comes to our security, we really don't need anybody's
permission."

The first thing that bothered me was the phrase, "When it comes to our security . . . ." Fact: The invasion of Iraq today is not vital to American security. Saddam Hussein has neither the intention nor the capability to threaten America and is easily deterrable if he does.

This is not a war of necessity. That was Afghanistan. Iraq is a war of choice - a legitimate choice to preserve the credibility of the United Nations, which Saddam has defied for 12 years, and to replace his tyranny with a decent regime that could drive reform in the Arab/Muslim world.

The problem that Bush is having with the legitimate critics of this war stems from his consistent exaggeration on this point.

When Bush takes a war of choice and turns it into a war of necessity, people naturally ask, "Hey, what's going on here? We're being hustled. The real reason must be his father or oil or some right-wing ideology."

And that brings us to the second phrase: "We really don't need anybody's permission."

Again, for a war of no choice against the 9/11 terrorists in Kabul, we didn't need anyone's permission.

But for a war of choice in Iraq, we need the world's permission - because of what it would take to rebuild Iraq. Bush talks only about why it's right to dismantle the bad Iraq, not what it will take to rebuild a decent Iraq - a distant land, the size of California, divided like Yugoslavia.

I believe we can help build a decent Iraq, but not alone. If we're alone, it will turn into a U.S. occupation and make us the target for everyone's frustration.

And alone, Americans will not have the patience, the manpower or the energy for nation-building, which is not a sprint but a marathon.

Bush growls that the world is demanding that America play "Captain, May I" when it comes to Iraq - and he's not going to ask anybody's permission. But with Iraq, the relevant question is not "Captain, May I?" It's "Captain, Can I?" - can I do it right without allies? No.

So here's where we are. Regime change in Iraq is the right choice for Iraq, for the Middle East and for the world. Bush is right about that.

But for now, this choice may be just too hard to sell.

If Bush can't make his war of choice the world's war of choice right now, we need to reconsider our options and our tactics.

Because if Bush acts unilaterally, I fear America will not only lose the chance of building a decent Iraq, but something more important - America's efficacy as the strategic and moral leader of the free world.

A story: In 1945, King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia met President Franklin D. Roosevelt on a ship in the Suez Canal.

Before agreeing to meet with Roosevelt, King Abdul Aziz, a Bedouin at heart, asked his advisers two questions about the U.S. president: "Tell me, does he believe in God, and do they (the Americans) have any colonies?"

The real question the Saudi king was asking was: How do these Americans use their vast power? Like the Europeans, in pursuit of colonies, self-interest and imperium or on behalf of higher values?

That's still the most important question for U.S. national security. The world does not want to be led by transparent cynics like the French foreign minister and his boss.

But it also does not want to be led by an America whose Congress is so traumatized by 9/11 that it can't think straight and by a president ideologically committed to war in Iraq no matter what the costs, the support or the prospects for a decent aftermath.

But, France aside, the world is still ready to be led by an America that's a little more humble, a little better listener and a little more ready to say to its allies: "How much time do we need to give you to see whether inspections can work for you to endorse the use of force if they don't?"

Think about FDR. He had just won World War II. America was at the apex of its power. It didn't need anyone's permission for anything.

Yet, on his way home from Yalta, confined to a wheelchair, FDR traveled to the Mideast to meet and show respect for the leaders of Ethiopia, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Why? Because he knew he needed them not to win the war, but to win the peace.

* Thomas L. Friedman is a columnist for The New York Times, 229 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036; www.nytimes.com.