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To: aladin who wrote (81244)	3/11/2003 2:30:11 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>War for defensive purposes only<< If so, then the proper way of stating it would not be "no longer moral," but "never moral." No? And the impasse at the UN is irrelevant. Either the war under consideration is pre-emptive, or it is defensive, in point of objective fact. How can opinions change objective facts?

To: aladin who wrote (81244)	3/14/2003 4:51:29 PM
From: SirRealist	Respond to of 281500

>>John@leaningtoactionbutstillfeelbadaboutit.com << Heck, a year ago, I supported a forced removal of Hussein. I supported it in 91 and 88 as well. Since then, the twisted logic of this administration that has pushed me away.... had they stated the reasons without making dire threats that they could not back up reasonnably well, they had strong support. France didn't blow the thing; they were the last nail in a coffin built by: -rationales that seemed to change weekly. -promised 'strong evidence'that would be disclosed at the appropriate time.... that emerged as a rather weak case. -poor presentation of a Homeland Defense that seemed more designed to provoke fear for politically manipulative purposes. -poor backup support to states and municipalities while their security costs rose every time a Crayola Alert was issued. -diplomacy that wasn't really 'bully', just 'insulting' -dismissiveness of dissenters, from charges of appeasement and pro-Saddaam to a mere 'focus group' to be disregarded. I still think he should be removed. But after the war ends, I suspect he'll be alive and unprosecuted, with his citizens bearing the pain.... and by the bluster delivered by this group, if Hussein kills 10K Iraqis a year and we kill 100K to topple him, so what? Granted, I doubt the numbers will approach that or that this administration is that callous, but their presentation has given rise to those concerns. The US is a military force, an economic force and a moral force in the world, and the early record suggests this administration only cares to maintain the first at the expense of the others.