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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (81332)3/11/2003 5:08:58 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Here is a photo of Ms. Glaspie putting on a better effort when she testified to the Senate.
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If I understand your argument, the US snookered Saddam into attacking Kuwait because he wanted the US to remove sanctions that were only imposed because he attacked Kuwait in the first place?

I can't think through that many gyrations at once, sorry.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (81332)3/11/2003 5:19:50 PM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 281500
 
was a bit puzzled as to why the USA would want Saddam to attack Kuwait. The answer came when Saddam said "If I withdraw, will you remove the sanctions". I thought silly boy, of course they will. The purpose of the sanctions was to force compliance with the will of We the Sheeple which is democratically [giggle] expressed through our institution the UN.

Well, silly me explained my brother. They aren't going to take sanctions off. He laboriously explained to me that the price of oil has got to be kept up to maintain the profits of high cost producers in the North Sea, Alaska, and USA. There have been umpty billion in profits thanks to keeping supplies reduced and Iraqi oil off the market.


Not even the Iraqis propose this version, Mq. According to Tariq Aziz, who had every opportunity to whine like a fleet of 747s about Glaspie's perfidy (and, by implication, Bush the First's con job on the innocent Saddam), Ms. Glaspie was summoned by Saddam on a moment's notice. Obviously, she could not get instructions because DC was asleep, it being the middle of the night in the US at the time. Of course, Richard Perle, who sleeps in a coffin during the day, might have been answering the phone at the time....

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Could you elaborate on the point about mixed signals sent by the U.S. during the run-up to the invasion of Kuwait? How did those influence your government's decision?

There were no mixed signals. We should not forget that the whole period before August 2 witnessed a negative American policy towards Iraq. So it would be quite foolish to think that, if we go to Kuwait, then America would like that. Because the American tendency . . . was to untie Iraq. So how could we imagine that such a step was going to be appreciated by the Americans? It looks foolish, you see, this is fiction. About the meeting with April Glaspie--it was a routine meeting. There was nothing extraordinary in it. She didn't say anything extraordinary beyond what any professional diplomat would say without previous instructions from his government. She did not ask for an audience with the president. She was summoned by the president. He telephoned me and said, "Bring the American ambassador. I want to see her." She was not prepared, because it was not morning in Washington. People in Washington were asleep, so she needed a half-hour

To contact anybody in Washington and seek instructions. So, what she said were routine, classical comments on what the president was asking her to convey to President Bush. He wanted her to carry a message to George Bush--not to receive a message through her from Washington.

Why was the decision made by your government to move into Kuwait? What did you hope to achieve, and were you surprised by the American response?

Kuwait was never in our plans during all our leadership of this country. . . But we had to do it as a defensive act. Kuwait was conspiring against us.


Plus, Mq,I don't think that sanctions were in place before Saddam the Innocent invaded Kuwait. But I'm not going to research that bit of common knowledge--if I'm wrong, it won't be the first or the last time....