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To: Fred Levine who wrote (68515)	3/11/2003 7:19:01 PM
From: runes	Respond to of 70976

Fred - I would never call a child a failure. Not even the UN. And again - you still seem to think that it is the UN's function to stop the crimes against humanity. It isn't. It's job is to provide the forum where the member nations can decide if intervention is necessary. If they agree then they provide the resources for the UN to do an intervention. So maybe you are trying to say that the concept of a forum for nations to work out their differences is inadequate for the needs of the world. Here we would agree. But while you feel that it is a failure and appear to want to give up on it, I call it a good step in the direction of a world justice system. And while you feel Bush is right to dismiss the UN for not giving immediate gratification I say give it some space and let's see what solution it comes up with. ...And it may very well stumble yet again. But if we don't let it try then there is no possibility that it will ever learn to walk. None of which does anything for the Iraqis, or the Israelis or the Palestinians or in the Congo, or in North Korea or in Myamar.... And that is the problem that you really want to tackle. As would I. My best advice is to stay angry and keep the issue on the fire. And not just Iraq - all of it. ...But don't fault the UN - you might just be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

To: Fred Levine who wrote (68515)	3/11/2003 7:34:10 PM
From: Sam Citron	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Fred, It is very difficult for the UN to become involved in the internal affairs of sovereign states even if acts of genocide are committed. The UN is a forum for nations to work out their differences by means of dialog instead of resorting to violence. Unfortunately Kurdistan does not have a seat at the United Nations. When ethnic loyalties seem to conflict with national loyalties, the State may feel threatened, and rightfully so. These are exceedingly difficult issues. Pluralism and diversity are very nice ideals but they often takes hundreds of years and much collective bloodshed to establish. When you consider the Civil War, the Civil Rights movement, and the Indian genocide in the USA, you get a taste of how long it sometimes takes to create even a modicum of "equality". This is why I believe it is hypocritical for Americans to preach to other countries. It took this country 200 years to fully recognize the rights of its black citizens. How can we expect other countries to resolve such tensions overnight? When an ethnic group rises up and forms a separatist agenda calling for independence, what nation on earth would yield to it? If it did so, would it not set a potentially dangerous precedent? This is the stuff of civil war and bloody internal struggle. It's easy to call it genocide and voice indignation that an enlightened collective body such as the UN does not come to the rescue of the threatened group. And it is gruesome to watch, especially when one may have relatives who have fallen vistim to genocide. But I think it is facile to condemn the UN for not stopping it or to overly praise Bush for paying lip service to a cause that just happens to coincide with his own agenda. Sam