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To: LindyBill who wrote (81446)	3/12/2003 12:31:52 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Appreciated your talk from the soapbox this AM, LB. If someone does view you as a "super hawk", it does say something about where they come from, doesn't it? But hey! We can look at one bright side, eh? 6 (that's SIX ) months and counting at the UN, and nothing constructive has happened. Because the US has spent all sorts of money to date getting our Military and equipment to the ME, Saddam now (after 12 years) has destroyed....what...about 50 missiles? We don't know as yet where he has trucked the BWMD and CWMD off to....or do we? Personally, I think we do know much more than we can say, and that is why this Administration is so adamant on solving the problem, one way or the other. Too bad all the anti-war protesters couldn't/wouldn't/didn't go over there, and tell Saddam they were coming to take him to exile, and were there to help him pack. I'm sure he would have gone willingly, aren't you? "Look Mom....No War!!!" could have been the rallying cry. But no guts, no glory. Some of us have been around long enough to realize that "Happily Ever After Land" doesn't really exist unless there are brave souls to help make it that way. As the picture of what the Administration planned to do emerged, I was happy to see they felt the same way and were planning to take a world wide approach to getting the Terrorists, those that harbored them, and Rogue States that threatened us.

To: LindyBill who wrote (81446)	3/14/2003 12:26:34 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 281500

I expect them to understand I come by my conclusions honestly also. I never expressed any doubt about the honesty of the process by which anybody here reached their conclusions. I recall writing quite specifically, in fact, that I could understand and to some degree sympathize with those conclusions and the manner in which they were reached. I objected, and I think this was plainly stated, to the manner in which some of these conclusions are being presented, here and elsewhere. I objected to the presentation of war as some sort of video game, where we’re blipping units off a screen, not killing people. I said, and I will say again, that I believe war may at some times be necessary. I also said that I think the idea of rejoicing in the prospect of war, or of treating it lightly, is both disgusting at a human level and, in the long term, an approach that can dangerously distort our individual and collective judgment. The bloody details were placed there for a reason. I believe that these experiences change the perspectives of those who go through them. They certainly changed mine. There are many things we have to do in life, ranging from punishing a child to making war, that we wish we did not have to do. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them. If we must, we must. If we find ourselves reveling in them, though, it’s high time to look inside and ask ourselves what’s really going on in there. So there’s nothing in that post I want to change or retract. I’m sorry that it pissed you, or anyone, off, but I expect we’ve all read opinions here that pissed us off. I know I have.