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To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68619)	3/12/2003 9:26:35 PM
From: Fred Levine	Respond to of 70976

Interestingly, the second largest Muslim country is India-- not Pakistan. Also, and this too was from Friedman, there have been no Indian terrorist against the West. Friedman claims that is because Indian Muslims enjoy greater freedom than those in Saudi, Iran, etc. etc. fred

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68619)	3/12/2003 9:53:50 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

Sorry, still not acceptable. You should not go back more than 20 years, if that. To see this consider that even 30+ years ago, the blood of a black American soldier could not be used to save the life of a white soldier! This despite the fact that the doctor who discovered plasma is almost as good as red-blood for transfusion and lasts longer (i.e the father of modern blood transfusion). And how long ago was it that women did not have the right to vote? Not too from the time frame you are talking about. Our perspectives of what is acceptable social behavior changes in every generation. It is not right to compare what one generation considered acceptable with another. ST

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68619)	3/13/2003 12:10:36 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Cary, two other things that I forgot to say. One is that many of the Muslims here horror stories to say that seem unreal to me (and I am already aware some real ones). It seems that stories of abuse are circulated and added to by everyone who retells it. As a result, many of them are absolutely horrified of the prospect of having to deal authorities. It doesn't really matter if those stories are not completely true. Their fears (especially the less educated ones) are quite real and very big (may be about what the American Jews felt in 50s?). Even the highly educated ones are reluctant to criticize the government over the phone. I can't tell how scared the American Jews were in the 40s, but I would think you'd sympathize. On another note, I never really understood the roots of anti-Semitism. If you or others have material on it, by all means pm me on it. Which brings me to what you said about Japan and anti-Semitism despite having no Jews. How do you factor that in your assessment of Muslim population's view of Jews? Sun Tzu PS As I said, I've had very diverse circles. Of all the prejudices, religious prejudice is the one I understand the least. A few days ago, Sunni extremists open fire to Shia Muslims during prayer in their mosque in Pakistan. Seven people were killed among them a 9 year old boy. So I am not sure the image of Muslim/Jewish relations you have is accurate. It seems that in absence of Jews, other Muslims will do just fine for those filled with hate. PPS I forgot to mention the army doctor I talked about was black himself.

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68619)	3/13/2003 12:52:11 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Respond to of 70976

OK my last comment on this: > So they feared much worse than what is happening to Muslims now and they never considered flying planes into buildings to murder 3000 Americans They also were born and raised here in America. I don't think it is right to compare someone who's lived here for more than 5 years with a train terrorist who came in only to carry out his mission. The concept of "sleeper cells" is not new, but it has rarely if ever worked. The longer the so called sleeper agents live in the society and interact, the more they relate to the people and the less likely that they act against people. Even when you look at much easier situations to handle agents, say a FBI agent who is deep undercover in a mafia family for a couple of years, keeping the agent completely loyal remains a major concern. In the year and half since 9/11, I am still to hear about any sleeper cells being discovered or any terrorist networks we have found. Could it be that Muslims are not the homicidal maniacs that the administration makes them to be and that we gave too much power to government and lost hard gained liberties for nothing? Sun Tzu