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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (81683)	3/13/2003 1:50:40 AM
From: kumar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I dont think it matters any more what Turkey does/does not do. BBC reported today, that US forces are along the Saudi/Iraqi border. news.bbc.co.uk

To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (81683)	3/13/2003 2:20:23 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It would help very much to have a muslim nation onside, and triple points for a democratic muslim nation ... there's much more to this case though .... i wonder how much iraqis remember and resent the rule of the turks, it was only eight decades ago On the face of it it's hard to see why kurds shouldn't have the right to self-determination ..... boundary concerns with newly arrived sunnis around the northern oilfields, yes, but that could be worked out ... largest opposition is the turks, who wish to continue their rule of northern Kurdistan ..... the turks used kurdish troops among others in genocide against the armenians, it is said .... something like the Balkans this area, the brits found it ungovernable Karen, often when i hear the pacifists speak on Iraq i think to myself, yes but somebody has to do something, you cannot permit the Husseins free rein in the modern age ..... it is only on viewing a few posts by the war-now folk, hearing the tone of it, the single-nation flag waving fervour, and reflecting on the way things are being approached here, the dictatorial attitude and all, that i snap back to the priority, that the Dubyas cannot be permitted free rein either ..... so just because i know you'll like this, and for fun, not because it expresses my full opinion or anything, here's a slogan for your sign in the march - . Why should the french appease Dubya? . ... just make sure you march on the safe side of the Atlantic -g-

To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (81683)	3/13/2003 2:46:18 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Erdogan also did not succeed in winning assurances about Iraq's Turkmen population and Turkey's role in shaping a postwar Iraq, a Turkish official said.> What they're saying here is, they won't participate unless we'll agree that Iraq will be partitioned into U.S. and Turkish "spheres of influence". Since the "Turkish zone of control" would contain the only part of Iraq with any democracy (the Kurdish area), the fact that we are even discussing it with them, makes a mockery of all our protestations about "preserving Iraqi sovereignty" and "building democracy" and "liberating" (the Kurds are going to feel very UnLiberated if the Turkish Army moves on them.) By my count, there are 7 contenders to hold the ground in Kurdistan: 2 Kurdish groups, who have fought each other in the past, total 80,000 soldiers armed Islamist/Al Queda enclave Turkish army Iranian army (possibly using proxies) fragments of Iraqi army (once we've shattered the central command/control, each division will be independant) U.S. army