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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (20207)	3/13/2003 2:45:31 AM
From: Vitas	Respond to of 25898

>>>put the challenge to ???<<< 1. how are you rationally and practically going to ACHIEVE non-violence? is it just going to fall from the sky? Message 18662200 2. if we let Saddam slide the answer that we will get in all future conflicts that the world tries to resolve through diplomacy will be: "You and whose army is going to make me comply?" "I know you are bluffing." It would be certain CHAOS. You are either for a concerted effort to resolve world conflicts through diplomacy WITH THE ACTUAL THREAT OF FORCE IF YOU DON'T COMPLY, or you are for world chaos. It is not any more complicated than that. Which are you for? Message 18663795

To: PartyTime who wrote (20207)	3/13/2003 7:59:05 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Those questions are so easy: 1 - He is trying to make the UN work as it should. 2 - Several of the neighbors are hostile to the West (Iran and Syria). Turkey is hostile to Kurds. Saudi Arabia is chicken. BTW, Qatar is also supporting us -that makes at least two neighbors. 3 - We should not wait till its happened to be concerned about a serious threat. I've shown a number of ways Saddam has aided terrorists who have targeted Americans - most recently the Iraqi diplomats expelled from the Philippines for supporting Abu Sayyaf which recently killed a couple of Americans there. 4 - It isn't just the gov't saying Iraq isn't complying , it's the UN. Resolution 1441 said Iraq was in material breach. 5- Several reasons - some are doing business with Saddam, some want the UN to constrain US power and increase their relative power in intl' affairs. 6 - Because we've been trying to get the UN to be a force for peace and justice. 7 - Why should they? Should the US invade Venezuela and put their oil industry back to work? 8 -We are the only superpower left on earth and strength should be coupled with responsibility. We should be proud of American policy on this issue. 9- It can't make the terrorists give up weapons. It can prevent Iraq from supplying themin the future. 10 - No, it has nothing to do with that. Getting rid of Saddam won't produce a cure for cancer either. 11- Because his security establishment has many more weapons than the citizens probably. 12 - No. But there is little chance of that. The US's main challenge will be handling the Rep. Guard with whatever chem/bio weapons they're able to get off - not an occasional irate citizen with a pistol. 13 - Fine with me. 14 - Well, he should be breathing in a prison cell. 15 - Of course, but Iraq may not have been involved with 9/11. Or it may have, who knows. But it's future 9/11's we should be concerned about preventing. 16 - When we don't want our planes shot down. Iraq recently threatened our U2 planes even after they had agreed to allow the flights. 17 - Both are threats. NK is the harder to handle as it is so much farther along on its WMD development. All the more reason to stop Iraq early. 18- Don't know. There are good indications a majority will be grateful for the removal of Saddam. Personal weapons are not our concern. 19- Probably not. But the murder of Iraqi citizens aren't our only problem with Saddam. The prior questions indicate a knowledge of these other issues. 20 - A greater likelihood of peace, yes. There are no guarantees though. I glad to hear the questioner will support the troops on the battlefield. I hope the rest of the antiwar folks here will do the same.

To: PartyTime who wrote (20207)	3/13/2003 8:41:12 PM
From: Andy Thomas	Respond to of 25898

1. either bush is weak or he's creating a big distraction so people can argue endlessly on boards like this while something else is going on undetected... we should burn down the u.n... i never had any use for it... the only people anywhere who would shed a tear would be those diplomatic immunity whores with their perks and titles... 2. i don't care about 'weapons of mass destruction'... we should invade saudi arabia... and the rest of the penninsula for that matter... set up amusement parks in mecca and medina... $15 to touch the space rock... then if allah is real we'll be smitten... otherwise the moslems can shut the hell up... 4. who cares?... they're just setting up a distraction... 5. our so-called allies resist this war because they're even weaker than bush... plus they want to be cut in on the action... as soon as the u.s. bribes/threatens them all enough they'll all go along... 6. indeed... curiouser and curiouser 7. because maybe the media is not about anything but distracting the likes of you and me... maybe their job is to report what's NOT going on... instead of what IS going on... and perhaps in general this goes to the local level of the nightly news... perhaps they're all under a trance... 8. indeed... it's not about the wmds... the ongoing argument that it IS about wmds is absurd... 9. good question... and really just who are the terrorists?... of course, whoever we want them to be... 10. let's roll the dice and find out... in the end all of the currencies are headed to zero... that's the way of all paper money... the u.s. dollar will ultimately be no exception... 11. no matter what else anyone says about saddamm, he commands a lot more respect than most of the other so-called 'leaders' in the world... of course with enemies like saddamm, who needs friends?... if you compare saddamm to the saudi royal family, you have to wonder why we're not attacking saudi arabia instead... how many people are aware that saddamm treats his own xtian minority better than any other arab nation?... and this 'islamic' thing is just a cover saddamm adopted in the last couple of years... his regime is the most secular in the region... so we're toppling a secular regime yet letting the saudis and others stand? 12. i would consider them to be some combination of foolish and brave... perhaps just plain desperate... 13. that's phreaking bizarre, no? 14. arafat is the best thing for the ongoing success of the likud and the repression of the palestinian people... like hussein, he's paid for by the clique; the cabal; the insiders;... 'them' 15. let's hear about something like 15 of 19 saudis... then the additional fact that of the 19, at least 9 were found alive in various parts of the world... looks like a case of stolen identities to me... someone's black ops... i still say invade arabia... guilty or not... i simply don't like that royal family... of course almost all of the players on the world stage making the big headlines are insiders on at least some level... 16. bizarre again 17. because somebody is running a script and iraq being the weakest of all gets picked on the most... 18. we should take their poorly endowed males and turn them into shemales... then use their studs to help perform for our own women... then give their women lingerie websites... let them keep their guns... of course, our version of democracy for them will be nothing like that... it will be our hand-chosen puppets with the label democracy in order that those of us stateside can feel better about ourselves... seeing as how apparently every one of us but me agrees that democracy is a panacea for everything... i really don't see why we didn't just let them have kuwait... or - even arabia too - in 1990... hussein would have always sold us the oil... but that was all a big script (bs) anyway... again who needs friends with enemies like (circa 1990) hussein? 19. i'm sure that people in the u.s. state department just lie in bed awake at night, wringing their hands over dead iraqis... 20. let's roll the dice and find out... ?Why? 'WHY' is a child's question... 'HOW' is the one you should be asking... as for me, i would recommend a war... but on saudi arabia first...