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To: tcmay who wrote (173505)	3/13/2003 12:04:59 PM
From: Robert O	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Tim, I was expecting an apology by now. I mean after all, my last post clearly outlined that you missed the gist of my post to you, though it was not particularly subtle. It seems like you have a preconceived notion of what you expect someone to be, or how he will react to your posts, and then refuse to respond short of effectively calling me either PC or retarded. But that is not the primary purpose of this post. I thought it might be instructive in understanding the nature of defamation if I presented a true to life example that hits home. I'm sure you recall a poster here months back who you interpreted as implying you had a felony record. You went ballistic and pointedly told the poster either his post be retracted or VERY serious consequences would result. He posted back that he never actually called or even implied you were a felon (true) but did write enough so that this reply sated you. Now, isn't it ironic that you were screaming against being defamed and yet you do not see the value to this tort's applicability in a court of equity? Perhaps your method of handling this was preferable to you: to wit, a threat of a personal severe response on your part. I would rather let the rule of law keep us a civilized society. Correct me if I am wrong and you actually intended on using the law to avenge this poster's perceived wrong. Either way you now, hypocritically, call me either PC or retarded for attempting to call your attention to the same protections in law that you yourself vehemently called to action even if only in principle. A simple apology will do. If you have additional churlish names to effectively call me, do not bother replying as it is so much sound and fury. RO

To: tcmay who wrote (173505)	3/13/2003 12:05:11 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Respond to of 186894

either stock options nor salaries nor benefits add up to to $300 an hour for very many (percentage-wise) employees. Your $300/hour figure annualizes out to more than $600K. Even considering overhead/loading, not very Silicon Valley or U.S. employees are making $400K/year. He got that figure from me. In software, say you were to hire a file system developer to create a new CRM application. The developers make between $100-$150 per hour. Business people somewhere in there too, architect $300. He's just taking prior posts I wrote and trying to explain that these hourly rates have come down due to supply and demand, and that options don't matter. The truth is rates have come down, but not because US workers are cheaper. It is because engineering jobs have been outsourced to india. I used to make about 100K with options, now without options I am a contractor with high rates so I make more than I did in 2000 on an hourly basis. I feel poorer though!

To: tcmay who wrote (173505)	3/13/2003 1:09:35 PM
From: hueyone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

This misstates compensation levels in Silicon Valley. Thanks for pointing this out. I seem to be confused regarding who is gettting paid what. This isn't surprising, since the main issue I am interested in is the bottom line, that is earnings after all the company's compensation expenses, including stock options, have been deducted. When stock option expense is reported on the income statement, I hope the executives will make the hard decisions regarding what levels of compensation are reasonable and prudent at various levels of the organization for the purpose of maximizing the company's performance and earnings. Regards, Huey