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To: average joe who wrote (34508)	3/13/2003 2:43:35 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Notice Greg and Santiago fighting about what happens to dead bodies? What about all the living bodies out there. well this is the rub ...i have never before seen such examples of such sheer lack of credible "thought" in their arguments , occurring in otherwise good and decent men . There's the folly of religion , talking on and on about mythological tribes , and temples , rediculous unatural miracles and men who never existed, and all so contrived and narrow reagrding actual history as we know it today. I asked them to answer here what "temple" was jesus referring too: Message 18685784 there is only one answer that can ever make sense , but they are so brainwashed , they'll never see it though it is right before them each and every moment of the day , waking or sleeping. Even Jesus asked them to open their eyes. Is this a religion of peace, understanding and insight ? Not without reason & common sense it is , it is only a giant Cult.

To: average joe who wrote (34508)	3/13/2003 3:01:29 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 39621

Thanks for the link to Thomas Paine , Btw , wonder if any here will like to respond to this , since so much of the freedom to think of their own religion in new ways comes down and are inherited directly from his reasoning and efforts ... Only Jesus was the giver of the lamp of reason to mankind? Not hardly...only in that one specific fantasy world of their own small model of creation and scripture , that as we see , none of them can actually quite agree. Immediately upon publication in England, the Rights of Man was suppressed. The author was indicted. Those who published it and those who sold it were arrested. To avoid arrest and probable death, Paine left England. However, his ideas had left their mark on the nation and the English people today enjoy a freedom that stems back to those who rallied around Paine's text. After leaving England, Paine went to France where he had become widely famous. His actions in America were well known.The pamphlet "Common Sense" had been published in French and was having an immense effect. The French knew of the "Rights of Man". Paine was so popular in France that he was elected to the National Convention by three political parties. Once in government, he founded the first Republican Society in France and wrote their manifesto. These actions helped to give Paine the reputation as the "defender of popular rights" throughout America, England, Scotland, Ireland and France. Despite his popularity, trouble soon found Thomas Paine in France. After the French Revolution, the king of France was to be executed as a traitor. The National Convention wanted the King dead. But Thomas Paine, being the great humanist that he was, made a plea to the Convention to spare the king's life. He asked that the king be exiled to the United States. He asked not only as a citizen of the United States but also as a member of the Convention. This action of asking for sparing the king's life was, at that time, a request to also be executed. Robert Ingersoll, a widely published Agnostic, wrote of Paine, "From the moment that Paine cast his vote in favor of mercy - in favor of life - the shadow of the guillotine was on him. He knew that when he voted for the King's life, he voted for his own death." Paine recognized his predicament, and knew that his time on Earth could be very short. Knowing that there was no time to lose, he set out to write "The Age of Reason". The book contained Paine's thoughts on "revealed religions" and the Bible. This writing was as threatening to the church as "The Rights of Man" had been to the monarchy. In writing "Age of Reason," Paine sought to break the bonds that the church held on the common man. The book is as powerful a source of revelation today as it was when it was written some two hundred years ago. Ingersoll again points out, "Not one argument that Paine urged against the inspiration of the Bible, against the truth of miracles, against the barbarities and infamies of the Old Testament, against the pretensions of priests and the claims of kings, has ever been answered." And it is true even 100 years after Ingersoll wrote that. In 200 years, no one has been able to disprove the points that Paine made against the Bible. What are we to make of this? Thomas Paine was arrested just a few short hours after completing the first part of the Age of Reason in December, 1793. He was forgotten by almost everyone but not the future American president, James Monroe. Monroe wrote in Paine's behalf and won his release in November of the following year. While in prison, Paine finished his work on part II of "Age of Reason".