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To: Joe NYC who wrote (164224)3/14/2003 3:08:16 AM
From: Joe NYC  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575765
 
In the Gulf, Quiet Anticipation

By David Ignatius
Friday, March 14, 2003; Page A27

KUWAIT CITY -- Ali Khalifa Sabah, this country's former minister of oil and finance, arrives for a meeting Wednesday night in the midst of a blinding sandstorm. "God must be Iraqi, or French," he jokes.

A former Saudi diplomat calls puckishly from Jiddah on Wednesday to say that at last he understands America's real aim in the war with Iraq. "Your goal is to topple Tony Blair," he deadpans.

These humorous comments, at a time when the world is facing a deadly serious diplomatic crisis, illustrate something I have discovered in my recent travels in the Middle East: The closer you get to Iraq, the less gloomy people are about the coming war. Saddam Hussein's neighbors know the Iraqi leader for what he is. They may be antiwar, but they're also strongly anti-Hussein. They know that change in Iraq will bring many benefits, as well as risks.

"I'm a peace activist, but peace cannot be achieved so long as Saddam is in power," says Saad Ajmi, Kuwait's former minister of information and now a linguistics professor and newspaper columnist here.

Over the past six weeks, I have visited most of the countries that circle Iraq -- Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and now Kuwait -- and I have yet to find a person who will speak up for Hussein. That strikes me as important. There are anti-American protests in the Arab world, as there are everywhere else these days. But almost nobody is carrying Hussein's portrait or claiming that he's the champion of the Arabs, as they did in the past.

Kuwait's leading Arabic newspaper, Al Watan, has just started publishing a special 12-page daily edition called "The War to Liberate Iraq." "You need a lot of courage here to say 'liberate,' " observes Mohammed Jassem, the paper's editor. But Jassem did it, with the support of the paper's owner, Sabah, because he knew it was the truth.

The question, my Arab friends agree, is how to remove Saddam Hussein, the man whose time has come and gone. They would passionately like to achieve that result without a war, which would have unpredictable and potentially dangerous consequences. But they understand that Iraqis won't take the risk of rising up against a leader they detest -- but also mortally fear -- unless they are certain the United States stands behind them.

"I don't think the Iraqi people will risk going against him in Baghdad until they're sure the American Army is very near," says Sabah.

Which brings us back to the war that lies just over the horizon. I seem to feel more hopeful about the future when I'm in the Middle East than I do in Europe, or even the United States. Something new is happening here, a process of Arab perestroika that is affecting everyone, from the Syrians to the Saudis.

Here, you feel in your gut that liberating Iraq will be a gift to the Iraqi people, and probably to the Arab world as a whole. But back in Europe, you know that if the war is launched without United Nations support, it will mean lasting damage for America in its relations not just with France, Germany and Russia but with countries around the world that believe in the primacy of the United Nations.

Given the potential costs of an Iraq war for the United States, people are confused about why America is marching into it. "It's really about oil, isn't it?" many of my Arab friends will say, and when you answer no, they'll insist that it must be about Israel. When you explain that Israel isn't the reason, either, they throw up their hands. How can you have a war with so little strategic rationale?

Perhaps this is a war like Vietnam -- fought with a fuzzy mix of Wilsonian idealism and realpolitik -- to prove that America is tough enough to fight a bigger, more important one elsewhere. In the case of Vietnam, America wanted to show that we would stand up to the Soviet Union in Europe. In the case of Iraq, President Bush may want to show that America is tough and powerful enough to vanquish any who would dare to topple our skyscrapers.

The big difference from Vietnam is that this war is probably winnable -- and quickly, too. The U.S. military forces that are everywhere in this city in their desert camouflage uniforms seem impatient to get on with it -- to go in and get the job done. It's a roll of the dice, to be sure, but it's one that most Iraqis (and many other Arabs) would secretly like America to take.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company
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To: Joe NYC who wrote (164224)3/14/2003 3:30:55 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575765
 
You may be interested, the best way to browse news that i have been using lately is Google News:
news.google.com

No need to bother with AOL. Yahoo is ok, but not as comprehensive. Of course Drudge finds some scoops, and is always a good site to check.


I didn't know google had news.....I've used it only for searches. Thanks for the link.

Just compare their stance at the UN. Musharraf would like to help the US, would like to vote with the US (and probably would if absolutely necessary), but made it clear that he would rather abstain. He stayed somewhere between neutral and helpful to the US, knowing there is only so much he can get away with (domestically) helping the US.

Yeah, but Musharraf is trading in WMD with NK and other countries. He may be a better statesman but I think he is mainly a slime bucket.

French did just the opposite, tried to undermine the US as much as possible. If it was just a "vote of conscience" (if Chirac had one) I could possibly buy it. But Chirac goes out of his way to lobby other countries for the defeat of the US. That part to me is stepping way over the line, to the point of basically no return. I don't think the US will ever trust France again.

Yeah, but this is part of Bush's diplomatic failure. He essentially ignored Germany and France last summer. To some degree he was hopiong that Blair would bring the two countries into the fold but Blair screwed up. It didn't work and G. and F. were kept outside the loop. Plus its no secret that many of Europe's leaders don't particularly like Bush. So this is payback time........the French are particularly good at that kind of shit.

You have to remember too that the positions of Chirac, Schroeder and other Europeans have the strong support of their people. Even in Italy and Spain who are for us, their people are against us. That gives leaders like Chirac plenty of leeway. Plus, with the EU starting to shape up, they are not as dependent on the US for trade. In fact, they are becoming more and more of a competitor.

It looks to me like there is a new world order forming where an attempt will be made to balance off our superpower position. I don't think it had to be this way but Bush's blundering has pushed it to the fore.

didn't need to do anything, while the diplomats were talking. We will see what he does when it is clear that the diplomatic delays are over. They had an Iraqi exile on TV the other day, and he said that Saddam is no hero when it comes to his own skin. He mentioned an anectode from one of the Arab summits. He said that during one of the meetings, the light went out. When restored, everybody was sitting as they were before the lights went out, and only Saddam was hiding under the table.

That's funny and it doesn't surprise me in the least......its why I don't worry about him too much. He is mostly concerned with the safety of his own skin now........there was no one more surprised when Bush Sr. went after him. I guess he thought he was a friend.

I think concern over his skin is why he has chilled so much since the Gulf War. His current manisfest destiny is to live to a ripe old age. That's why I think he may flake out in the end and go into exile.

Now OBL is a whole different story....we've got to get that sucker and his comrades before they cause us more damage.

ted