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To: Mao II who wrote (20809)3/14/2003 2:46:37 PM
From: Doug R  Respond to of 25898
 
"A liberated Iraq can show the power of freedom to transform that vital region by bringing hope and progress into the lives of millions," Bush said in the speech.

Just like Afghanistan...
Afghan lesson

January 24, 2003

With the Bush administration's foreign-policy attention focused so intensely on Iraq and the Korean peninsula, there is a danger of losing sight of the crucible of anti-American terrorism in recent years: Afghanistan.

The job there is far from done. The Taliban and al Qaida ringleaders have never been found, the international peacekeeping process does not exist outside Kabul, and little has been rebuilt. News reports from the region describe al Qaida members slipping back into Afghanistan from Pakistan, and al Qaida has been linked to recent bombings in Indonesia and Kenya.

Afghanistan must remain a center of attention. The fragile government of President Hamid Karzai is all that stands between Afghanistan and a slide back into the anarchy that spawned the Taliban and al Qaida.

A one-day visit earlier this month by Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy U.S. defense secretary, did little to reassure Afghans that the Bush administration is serious about staying focused on Afghanistan. Karzai's fledgling national defense force, a mere 1,800 strong, lacks the resources to extend national control into the provinces or to contest restive provincial warlords who oppose the Karzai government.

Without rebuilding, conditions in Afghanistan remain ripe for terrorism, the child of despair. United Nations aid workers estimate that 500,000 Afghans live in squalor, without adequate food or housing. In Kabul, where 78,000 houses were destroyed in more than two decades of fighting, not one new house has been built with international assistance since the defeat of the Taliban.

War in Iraq, if it comes, is sure to make conditions worse. Religious extremists have made gains in elections in next-door Pakistan, where analysts predict an Iraqi war will enflame Muslim passions.

"The general impression here is that this is part of an attempt to dominate the Muslim world," said Talat Masood, a retired general. "Iraq may be first, but Iran and then Pakistan may be next."

The United States has spent some $2.5 billion a month on its military efforts in in Afghanistan, but has contributed little to rebuilding.

Only a fraction of the $4.5 billion in international aid pledged in Tokyo last year has been delivered, and almost none has found its way outside Kabul.

Congress recently approved a $2.3 billion aid package over four years -- more than President Bush requested -- but without more international aid, this won't come close to the $20 billion that United Nations officials say Afghanistan needs if it is to recover and rebuild from the devastation.

It is a bleak story but one with a lesson we have learmed more than once, but seem to keep forgetting: wars don't end when the fighting does.



To: Mao II who wrote (20809)3/14/2003 3:13:04 PM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 25898
 
The Domino Theory Again What a crock of sheesh! Vietnam era warmongers used the domino theory to justify that atrocity. If we lose Vietnam than we lose all Asia the argument went.

And now the warmongers are pushing a democratic domino theory. How anybody with an ounce of common sense could swallow such BS is beyond me. This is just another propaganda device to sell a war of aggression and plunder to the public.

The LAST thing the US wants in the Arab world is democracy. ALL of its allies (puppets) in the region are dictatorships and feudal monarchies.



To: Mao II who wrote (20809)3/14/2003 3:56:27 PM
From: Giordano Bruno  Respond to of 25898
 
Additional State Dept. report information from the SF Chronicle

Democracy in Iraq doubtful, State Dept. report says
Social, economic obstacles work against transformation

Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times Friday, March 14, 2003

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Washington -- A classified State Department report expresses deep skepticism that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials familiar with the document.

The report exposes significant divisions within the Bush administration over the so-called democratic domino theory, one of the arguments that underpins the case for invading Iraq.

The report, which has been distributed to a small group of top government officials but not publicly disclosed, says that daunting economic and social problems are likely to undermine basic stability in the region for years, let alone prospects for democratic reform.

Even if some version of democracy took root -- an event the report casts as unlikely -- anti-American sentiment is so pervasive that elections in the short term could lead to the rise of Islamic-controlled governments hostile to the United States.

"Liberal democracy would be difficult to achieve," says one passage of the report, according to an intelligence official who agreed to read portions of it to the Los Angeles Times. "Electoral democracy, were it to emerge, could well be subject to exploitation by anti-American elements."

The thrust of the document, the source said, "is that this idea that you're going to transform the Middle East and fundamentally alter its trajectory is not credible."

Even the document's title appears to dismiss the administration argument. The report is labeled "Iraq, the Middle East and Change: No Dominoes."

The report was produced by the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, the in-house analytical arm.

It is dated Feb. 26, officials said, the same day Bush endorsed the domino theory in a speech to the conservative American Enterprise Institute in Washington.
"A new regime in Iraq would serve as a dramatic and inspiring example of freedom for other nations in the region," Bush said.

Other top administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, have made similar remarks in recent months.

But the argument has been pushed hardest by a group of officials and advisers who have been the leading proponents of going to war with Iraq. Prominent among them are Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, and Richard Perle, chairman of the Defense Policy Board, an influential Pentagon advisory panel.

Wolfowitz has said that Iraq could be the first Arab democracy and that even modest democratic progress in Iraq would "cast a very large shadow, starting with Syria and Iran but across the whole Arab world."

Similarly, Perle has said that a reformed Iraq "has the potential to transform the thinking of people around the world about the potential for democracy, even in Arab countries where people have been disparaging of their potential."

White House officials hold out the promise of a friendly and functional government in Baghdad to contrast with administration portrayals of President Saddam Hussein's regime as brutal and bent on building his stock of biological and chemical weapons.

The domino theory also is used by the administration as a counterargument to critics in Congress and elsewhere who have expressed concern that invading Iraq will inflame the Muslim world and fuel terrorist activity against the United States.

But the theory is disputed by many experts and is viewed with skepticism by analysts at the CIA and the State Department, intelligence officials said.

Critics say even establishing a democratic government in Iraq will be extremely difficult. Iraq is made up of ethnic groups deeply hostile to one another. Ever since its inception in 1932, the country has known little but bloody coups and brutal dictators.

Even so, it is seen by some as holding more democratic potential -- because of its wealth and educated population -- than many of its neighbors.

By some estimates, 65 million adults in the Mideast can't read or write, and 14 million are unemployed, with an exploding, poorly educated youth population.

Given such trends, "We'll be lucky to have strong central governments (in the Middle East), let alone democracy," said one intelligence official.

The official stressed that no one in intelligence or diplomatic circles opposes the idea of trying to install a democratic government in Iraq.

"It couldn't hurt," the official said. "But to sell (the war) on the basis that this is going to cause 1,000 flowers to bloom is naive."

The obstacles to reform outlined in the report are daunting.

"Middle East societies are riven" by political, economic and social problems that are likely to undermine stability "regardless of the nature of any externally influenced or spontaneous, indigenous change," the report said, according to the source.

The report cites "high levels of corruption, serious infrastructure degradation, overpopulation" and other forces causing widespread disenfranchisement.

The report concludes that "political changes conducive to broader and enduring stability throughout the region will be difficult to achieve for a very long time."

Middle East experts said there are other factors working against democratic reform, including a culture that values community and to some extent conformity over individual rights.

Bush has responded to such assessments by assailing the "soft bigotry of low expectations."



sfgate.com



To: Mao II who wrote (20809)3/14/2003 4:03:12 PM
From: Patricia Trinchero  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25898
 
ONe needs only to look at Kuwait for verification of that premise. After being liberated 12 years ago, the Emir is still the ruler and women can't vote................democracy?????????? I thought we were liberating Kuwait..............only in so far as freeing up the oil well pumps.

Our gov't should start telling it "like it is" and stop selling braindead Americans a line of BS.