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To: rkral who wrote (173588)	3/14/2003 8:06:40 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Respond to of 186894

Similar discussions on multiple threads has nothing to do with your attributing words like "shame" and "abuse" re options to me. Ditto for your inferring my viewpoint about "outsourcing" when I've never made any statement about outsourcing. If you call me delusional, because I make a statement that large R&D organizations (Cisco specifically) may have to be offshored due to the lack of availability of options to incent large engineering orgs, then I would say you made an implicit statement about outsourcing. Or maybe you just think I'm delusional period? You did know that was the crux of the conversation... if not why bother inserting yourself in the middle of it? Whoa there! You're the one that ascribed the word "abuse" to me. You make the search. I already know what I did or didn't say. I'm not going to bother with that. I think you are overreacting, you seem to have some problem with my classifying you as someone who thinks options are abused, although you constantly go from thread to thread on SI discussing options only, its quite clear you aren't in favor of the current system. To me you seem to have a bit of a thin skin when it comes to certain types of remarks made on SI, or people that you believe misrepresent you in some way... all the while behaving in the same manner yourself. IMHO, that's a scare tactic balloon being floated by the anti-option-expensing crowd. There has not been a credible, common sense, cause-and-effect argument to support that conclusion, AFAIK. Do you know of any? Yes- well, subjective evidence only. In the 80s we made shoddy goods that were not globally competitive in many electronics arenas. Xerox comes to mind here. The japanese were killing us on quality and innovation. In the late 80s a few technology companes started expanding their options grants, specifically Apple was one, Oracle of course but they were small... a few others. The midlevel companies like DEC on the east coast did not participate, it was a west coast thing. Almost immediately things started to change for these west coast companies wrt innovation and quality. Can I prove that options were the reason the Mac was so innovative and Oracle killed IBM 4 years later, while DEC fell apart? No, but it helped, it was quite a coincedence.