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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (21155)	3/15/2003 11:53:31 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 25898

if you hit your children, you simply teach them that violence is the way to instill correct behavior Never?? Not even if they were bullying other children in the neighborhood and beating them to a pulp?? Or terrorizing you?? And if the kids in your neighborhood were terrorizing other neighbors, you'd never raise your hand in anger to oppose them, right?? Remember, you have no 911 to call, and no police to act as your proxy for enforcing civil order and stability.. Again.. you've shown yourself to be representative of a utopian mentality out of step with reality... I met a gal yesterday who lives in a suburb of DC.. A recent law grad who is desperate to move of her neighborhood because she can't walk the streets in safety.. She is surrounded by crack dealers and gang members and has been living in fear of being raped (she's pretty cute).. So she's looking for a better neighborhood to live in, because all the authorities have done is talk about the problem.. No one is willing to do anything about it to restore social order.. So she is forced to move out.. And that's the same problem some 3 million Iraqi people have faced. They are exiles from their own country because they opposed, or pissed off, Saddam Hussein.. 3 million dislocated people who can't go home because of him... So when you think about "innocent people", be sure and remember them, ok?? And btw, one should never discipline their children while in a fit of anger. I'll always remember how a childhood friend of mine was disciplined when he disobeyed.. His father would send him to his room to think about what he had done for about 3-4 hours. At that time, his father would come in and spank him, and afterwards, tell him that "even though I hate what you did, I still love you"... Vic told me those hours waiting for his dad to dole out the punishment were worse than the actual spanking.. And it gave his father time to cool off and not over-discipline his child.. And you know something?? Vic LOVED HIS FATHER.. Loved him beyond belief because he knew it hurt his father to be forced to have to discipline his child.... And I've NEVER forgotten that.. It absolutely tore him up when his dad passed away prematurely.. Hawk

To: epicure who wrote (21155)	3/15/2003 12:17:21 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 25898

Afghanistan Plans Pipeline (how convenient) Afghanistan hopes to strike a deal later this month to build a $2bn pipeline through the country to take gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India. Afghan interim ruler Hamid Karzai is to hold talks with his Pakistani and Turkmenistan counterparts later this month on Afghanistan's biggest foreign investment project, said Mohammad Alim Razim, minister for Mines and Industries told Reuters. "The work on the project will start after an agreement is expected to be struck at the coming summit," Mr Razim said. The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, US oil company Unocal and Bridas of Argentina. The project was abandoned after the US launched missile attacks on Afghanistan in 1999. US company preferred Mr Razim said US energy company Unocal was the "lead company" among those that would build the pipeline, which would bring 30bn cubic meters of Turkmen gas to market annually. Unocal - which led a consortium of companies from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Japan and South Korea - has maintained the project is both economically and technically feasible once Afghan stability was secured. "Unocal is not involved in any projects (including pipelines) in Afghanistan, nor do we have any plans to become involved, nor are we discussing any such projects," a spokesman told BBC News Online. The US company formally withdrew from the consortium in 1998. "The Afghan side assures all sides about the security of the pipeline and will take all responsibilities for it," Mr Razim said. Reconstructing Afghanistan plans to build a road linking Turkmenistan with Pakistan parallel to the pipeline, to supply nearby villages with gas, and also to pump Afghan gas for export, Mr Razim said. The government would also earn transit fees from the export of gas and oil and hoped to take over ownership of the pipeline after 30 years, he said. The Asian Development Bank (ADB) has been surveying routes for transferring local gas from northern Afghan areas to Kabul, and to iron ore mines at the Haji Gak pass further west. "ADB will announce its conclusion soon," Mr Razim said. The pipeline is expected to be built with funds from donor countries for the reconstruction of Afghanistan as well as ADB loans, he said. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm>