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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: BubbaFred who wrote (21206)	3/15/2003 3:06:31 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 25898

Top Australian intelligence adviser quits over Iraq stuff.co.nz.

To: BubbaFred who wrote (21206)	3/15/2003 3:07:24 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. And we must not allow ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy. - Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson, U.S. Representative to the International Conference on Military Trials, August 12, 1945

To: BubbaFred who wrote (21206)	3/15/2003 3:10:28 PM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

I'm more of a moderate on the issue of invading Iraq. I have friends who are for the invasion, friends who are against it. There are people with IQ's both high and low who are on either side. Hawkmoon's comment about rape being connected to the physical attractiveness of a woman is simply asinine. Women of all ages, weights and levels of attraction get raped. And not just by drug dealers. You think he'd know better.

To: BubbaFred who wrote (21206)	3/17/2003 4:03:49 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 25898

Colin Powell, the first --and last-- African American Secretary of State... or "regime change" in America: Powell will take the rap for failed diplomacy Matthew Engel in Washington Monday March 17, 2003 The Guardian Recrimination at the failure of US diplomacy has begun in Washington, one source close to the administration admitting yesterday: "This has been the worst American diplomatic debacle of our lifetime." Administration sources suggest that this is the prelude to a postwar bloodletting in which the secretary of state, Colin Powell, will be the fall guy. He will be blamed for encouraging George Bush to take the issue to the UN, for failing to grasp the extent and power of French and Russian opposition, failing to anticipate that the weapons inspectors would not adhere to the US's timetable, and for his puzzling refusal to pursue the kind of shuttle diplomacy normal in the state department for the past 30 years. "There's a recognition this has not been our finest diplomatic hour," the New York Times quoted a senior official as saying on Friday, adding that his voice was "dripping with understatement". In the Washington Post James Mann of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies described the administration's foreign policy as "a major intellectual failure" that would have consequences long after the war is over. This aspect of the crisis has finally given Democratic contenders for the 2004 presidential election - most of them terrified to attack the president directly over Iraq - an issue they can hammer home without having their patriotism impugned. guardian.co.uk As the war on Iraq will probably trigger another wave of terrorist attacks against US interests, who's gonna get the rap? CIA chief Tenet? Fat chance: Tenet got a medal for the CIA's superb handling of 911.... FBI boss Mueller? Home Security wonderboy Ridge? Close, but no cigar... Tell you what: Miss Condi Rice's gonna be the next patsy --after all, she's the National Security Adviser! And what comes next? Trent Lott to succeed Powell as US Secr. of State? You tell me. Gus