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To: Bilow who wrote (82420)	3/15/2003 4:52:36 PM
From: Elsewhere	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I was under the impression that Hitler created some of Germany's nature preserves. ... I'd like to hear comments from the German thread denizens. Any other ones beside me :-)? Hallo, liest irgendjemand aus Deutschland mit? The silence is deafening. Ok, so a brief statement by me. My knowledge of the Nazi times is too limited to encompass details about Hitler's nature preservation plans. What I know is that the Nazi movement partially built on the love of nature in romanticism as presented by Rousseau and others. Around the turn of the 19/20th century the "Wandervogel" (birds of passage) movement was widespread; the Hitler Youth tried to exploit its popularity. There weren't many major preservation projects realized by the Nazis, after 1939 the immediate requirements during war time had a much higher priority. Three links with more details: Nature and Ideology Natural Garden Design in the Twentieth Century doaks.org 1966 Man of the Year: Young Generation time.com In the century after the French Revolution, new youth movements throughout Europe were the harbingers of change: Mazzini's "Young Europeans" in Italy; Russia's Czar-bombing nihilists; the Balkan Omladina (rejuvenation); Germany's Wandervogel (birds of passage). With their folk songs and philosophy--formed by Nietzsche and Ibsen, principally--they laid the groundwork for generations of activists to come. Green Stormtroopers in the Streets of Berlin? Confronting the eco-fascist tradition in the German experience (From the "Z Magazine", a possibly controversial source) zmag.org

To: Bilow who wrote (82420)	3/15/2003 5:24:20 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Carl, my small degree of germanicity is getting ancient now over the generations, but i know a little of this - at some point in 1934 the nazi admin passed major revisions to the laws of forestry, most of which are still in effect, and have been rolled over into the euro admin with little or no change of wording .... this is forestry, not parkland or nature preserves, but some of the same principles apply, and were changed at the same time .... the minister of forests was Hermann Göring, i believe, in his pre-Luftwaffe days .... at the very same time Rooseveldt was operating his favourite programme the CCC ['Civilian Conservation Corps'?] which was employing again the same principles, that of conservation, wise use, intelligent reforestation, etc [this comes up in the pine lobby vs. canucks issue, since a lot of that yellow pine industry was got going in the first place with heavy federal subsidies] A few years ago i almost paid ninety bucks for a german university textbook printed in '38 or '39, a fine and thorough work, it went on at length about the differences between old practises and new, it was suggesting further change in regulation as well, or maybe differing interpretation of the existing [my german being not that great] ..... some months later i went back to the shop to get it, it wasn't there ..... but it had the current statutes in it, complete, and i recall the date on most being 1934, a few revisions of 1936, 1937, etc One of the laws focussed on preservation of the racial purity of german tree species, not surprisingly .... there had been a dispute for some time regarding those who would plant species like douglas fir from British Columbia, which grows well in some parts there, also our pinus contorta which for some reason grows straight there, and the new law restricted the spread of the areas in which exotic species could be grown ... scots pine was considered alright because it was close to the local variety and did well in holding the sand together in the north beside the Baltic and North Sea ... in this area much of the ancient right of peasants to harvest dead limbs and needles etc [called together 'duff'] for fuel and animal bedding was taken from them, there is a name for this right and i've forgotten it, it's bad practise to overdo because it will desertify a sandy area It is strong in the german pysche that they are a forest species, there has always been a tendency to conservation there ... the ancient tribal penalty for girdling a tree unapproved by the chief [to kill it so that in later harvest it would be seasoned], was to open the abdomen of the offender, pull out and attach to the trunk one end of the intestines, and then walk the criminal around the tree, replacing its life with that of another