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To: LindyBill who wrote (82592)3/16/2003 9:36:23 PM
From: Jacob Snyder  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
re Korea:

Thanks, good article.

Yes, I am more worried about Korea than Iraq. For better or worse, it is within our means to "solve" Iraq through Regime Change. I don't see that as an option with N. Korea.

I had not realized we had agreed to a nuclear-free S. Korea with inspections to verify.

<South Korea, its habitual toughness vitiated by America's string of concessions, had launched its own policy of conciliation>

Sunshine came from internal S. Korean politics, in the face of opposition from Washington. He implies, (and this is the NeoCon Party Line) that there would be no appeasement of enemies by our allies, no Sunshine policy in S. Korea or elsewhere, if the U.S. had consistently shown Resolve and Vigor. Truth is (and will be) exactly the opposite. That is, the more unilateral sabre-rattling the U.S. does, the more we look like a Rogue State to S. Korea, the more support Sunshine will have. How much of a coalition did we end up with, after a rigidly Vigorous Iraqi policy for the last year? We ended up with all our natural allies embracing a Sunshine policy toward Iraq. Precisely the opposite of what the NeoCons expected and predicted from their policy of unswerving unstoppable Resolve.

<by showing Kim proper respect, Carter had achieved a "miracle": the basis for a new agreement.>

The word for this is "diplomacy". What does it cost us, to be polite? The NeoCons shout abuse, engage in endless name-calling (and not just of our opponents, but our allies too; name-calling and demonizing seems to be their response to any opposition anywhere). NeoCons give lip service to the idea of war as a "last resort", yet won't talk, won't even be minimally polite, and thereby convince everyone that war is their FirstAndOnlyResort.

<In the ensuing months, Washington and Pyongyang reached an "Agreed Framework" under which North Korea would freeze its existing plutonium program. In exchange, it was to receive:

<A. two light-water reactors>

Never delivered.

The U.S. has stalled on providing the light-water reactors to North Korea and they have yet to begin construction.
(Foreign Affairs, Jan-Feb 2001).

Although the 1994 Agreed Framework obligated the consortium to complete construction of both light water reactors by 2003, years passed without any action other than building the infrastructure needed to support the construction project. The U.S. calculated that North Korea would not long survive its economic difficulties, and that if construction of the reactors could be delayed long enough, they need never be built. Newly elected President Bush openly expressed his disdain for the 1994 Agreed Framework. It was only in August 2002 that cement was finally poured for the foundation of the first reactor, at Kumho on the eastern coast.
globalresearch.ca

<B. pending their completion, 500,000 metric tons of heavy oil annually, amounting to about 40 percent of the country's fuel consumption.>

This was the only provision of the agreement we had fulfilled. On November 14, 2002, those oil shipments were suspended. On December 12, 2002, N. Korea announced they would restart the nuclear facilities shut down by the Agreed Framework.

<C. In addition, various trade and diplomatic restrictions.....were to be lifted.>

Specifically, we promised:
The two sides will move toward full normalization of political and economic relations.
1) Within three months of the date of this Document, both sides will reduce barriers to trade and investment, including restrictions on telecommunications services and financial transactions.
2) Each side will open a liaison office in the other's capital following resolution of consular and other technical issues through expert level discussions.
3) As progress is made on issues of concern to each side, the U.S. and DPRK will upgrade bilateral relations to the
Ambassadorial level.
4) provide formal assurances to the DPRK against the threat or use of nuclear weapons by the U.S.
ceip.org

Some of these promises were vague, using words like "reduce", "move toward", "as progress is made". But, in the 9 years since the Agreed Framework, there has been no movement at all, toward any of these goals.

The United States and North Korea committed to move toward normalizing economic and political relations, including by reducing barriers to investment, opening liaison offices, and ultimately exchanging ambassadors.
The Clinton administration made some progress on fulfilling this aspect of the framework toward the end of its second term, most notably when then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright visited Pyongyang in October 2000. Additionally, in June 2000, Washington eased longstanding sanctions against North Korea under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the Defense Production Act, and the Export Administration Act, clearing the way for increased trade, financial transactions, and investment. Pyongyang is still prohibited, however, from receiving U.S. exports of military and sensitive dual-use items and most related assistance.
Both sides commit not to nuclearize the Korean Peninsula. The United States must "provide formal assurances" not to threaten or use nuclear weapons against North Korea. Pyongyang is required to "consistently take steps" to implement the 1992 North-South Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
The United States' most recent commitment to this obligation was in the October 12, 2000 Joint Communiqué between Washington and Pyongyang. The relevant portion reads: "The two sides stated that neither government would have hostile intent toward the other and confirmed the commitment of both governments to make every effort in the future to build a new relationship free from past enmity."
Bush administration officials have said several times that the United States has no intention of attacking North Korea. A January 7, 2003 joint statement from the United States, Japan, and South Korea reaffirmed this commitment in writing, stating that the United States "has no intention of invading" North Korea.
The Bush administration, however, has sent mixed signals about its intentions toward North Korea. Pyongyang argues that the United States has not lived up to its commitment because President George W. Bush called North Korea part of an "axis of evil" in January 2002. North Korea also accuses Washington of targeting North Korea for a "preemptive nuclear attack."
In September 2002, the Bush administration released a report which emphasizes pre-emptively attacking countries developing weapons of mass destruction. It explicitly mentions North Korea. In addition, a leaked version of the Bush administration's January 2002 classified Nuclear Posture Review lists North Korea as a country against which the United States should be prepared to use nuclear weapons, although it does not mention pre-emptive nuclear strikes.
armscontrol.org


Sanctions against North Korea by the United States has not been fully lifted, nor have both parties upgraded bilateral relationship to the Ambassadorial level. In the beginning of 2002, Bush named North Korea as a part of the axis of evil and later in March, the administration's Nuclear Posture Review specifically named North Korea as a possible target for a pre-emptive nuclear strike by the U.S.
ykuusa.org

"The Bush Administration has created a situation where the North Koreans are pushed into a corner. And their bad behavior becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that allows the Bush Administration to say, 'I told you so'," says Moon Chung-In, a specialist on North Korea at Yonsei University.
www3.sympatico.ca


We have given the N. Koreans good reason to think, "There is no reason to talk to the Americans. There is no reason to attempt a negotiated settlement; they are habitual liars, they have a track record of breaking their agreements. The only way to deal with these NeoCon Cowboys, is Force and the Threat Of Force; they respect nothing else. We need nuclear weapons, or they will do Regime Change on us." The mirror image of what the NeoCons say about N. Korea. Reciprocal demonization.

<even if we struck a grand bargain there would be no way of knowing that the other side was keeping its word>

The implications of this belief, is that the only way we can be safe, is to do ShockAndAwe, Regime Change, and Nation Building, in N. Korea and everywhere else that might develop WMD. A hopelessly ambitious plan. A fantasy of OverReach. Utopian.

A realistic, workable, real-world plan:
First, offer to negotiate, and offer to give them everything they want (except reunification on their terms), in return for everything we want (except Regime Change in N. Korea). Explicitly renounce Regime Change as a U.S. policy goal.
Message 18701268

Second, if they refuse the above Carrots, then (and only then) do we try the Stick. (You do remember, war is supposed to be the last resort?) Tell them that we would consider a mass artillery barrage of Seoul (for any reason) to be the use of a "weapon of mass destruction", and we would respond with tactical nuclear weapons instantly, as many as necessary to end the attack. Second, tell them we will start a selective blockade of N. Korea. All ships leaving their harbors will be inspected, and we will confiscate WMD, delivery vehicles (=missiles); also technology, materials, components for same. This will only work, of course, if S. Korea and China don't allow those items to be exported through them. So, we need to talk to them, and do whatever horse-trading is necessary, to present a united front on this semi-blockade. The only way we'd get them "on board" re blockades, is if we first "get on board" re Sunshine.

<Not only does the North's belligerence leave us no choice but to "think" about war, we cannot exclude the possibility of initiating military action ourselves.>

And that's the NeoCon bottom line. Pre-emptive Regime Change using unlimited violence, is the only solution, to this and every other problem. All negotiations are appeasement. This is the kind of thinking I'd expect from survivalist groups polishing their Bowie knives in the mountains of Idaho. The fact that it's coming from the intellectual wellspring of the U.S. government, the AEI, is profoundly frightening.



To: LindyBill who wrote (82592)3/17/2003 12:36:05 AM
From: Dayuhan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
One of the things that struck me about this article was that the author does not even mention the possibility of bombing the Yongbyon facility. Here are some quotes that suggest reasons for this omission…

In May 1994, North Korea brought matters to a head by announcing that it was removing spent fuel from its Yongbyon reactor without international monitoring.

The fuel rods apparently removed from Yongbyon could quickly yield a handful of bombs

the North Koreans have also built underground nuclear reactors, plutonium-reprocessing plants, and uranium-enrichment facilities, and who knows what else?

Since Muravchik doesn’t specifically mention the possibility of bombing Yongbyon, it is hard to say what he thinks of the idea. The quotes above, though, suggest that he thinks it would be inadequate and largely ineffectual: if the North Koreans have already removed spent fuel and built underground reprocessing plants, bombing Yongbyon would provoke conflict without seriously degrading North Korea’s nuclear capacity.

I’m inclined to agree with this assessment. The North Koreans have certainly known all along that bombing Yongbyon would be on our options list when their nuclear program came to light, and their first and most obvious response would have been to construct backup facilities in locations less susceptible to attack. Since they were, according to Muravchik, removing material from Yongbyon as early as 1994, it is quite likely that redundant facilities exist elsewhere. I seriously doubt that the North Koreans would have laid their nuclear cards on the table quite so aggressively without covering their butts first.

Since you endorse Muravchik’s piece strongly, I assume that you agree as well, so we can put that one behind us.

One comment with which I would have to disagree is this:

perhaps making an example of Saddam Hussein may take some of the wind out of their nuclear sails.

This goes back to what has become a knee-jerk response in some sectors: the notion that all of America’s problems in the world stem from lack of resolve, and can be redressed by displaying resolve. Certainly lack of resolve has been a problem, though to what extent is open to debate. It is not the only problem, though, and that kind of reductio ad absurdem easily leads to dangerous conclusions.

The sad truth is that the Iraq precedent seriously complicates our Korean problem. If we had adopted a multilateral approach in Iraq, the North Koreans might be more inclined to push on the diplomatic front if we begin applying pressure. If we started moving forces to South Korea, for example, they would be inclined to make a fuss at the UN, appeal to China and Russia, and in general adopt a delaying posture. This would, of course, rebound to our benefit, since we would need time to build up the force needed for the kind of military operation that Muravchik proposes, which is essentially a full-on invasion of the north.

As it is, though, the Iraqi precedent makes it clear to Pyongyang that diplomacy will be futile: if the administration has decided on war, it will go to war no matter what anyone says. This reduces their options pretty drastically. If the US announces additional deployments to South Korea, what can the North Koreans do? They could surrender, but that seems unlikely. They could sit back and wait for the US to build up an invasion-capable force, which would be courteous, but not very bright. They could offer to freeze their nuclear program and submit to inspections. If we adopt the Muravchik posture, though – and you can bet your last peseta that this article is circulating in Pyongyang - this would be meaningless to us, since we’d have to assume that the freeze would be broken and the inspections would probably not find what was really going on.

In short, the only viable option we would leave the North Koreans would be to stage a preemptive attack as soon as it became clear that we intend war. This would be a desperate move, and not one they’d lightly contemplate, but what other choice would they have? Once they know we’ve decided on war, what could they do but throw off a last-ditch attempt to conquer the south, declare the peninsula reunified, and threaten any invading force with nuclear retaliation?

It’s never wise to give an antagonist an incentive to adopt the policy you want them to avoid.

Muravchik fairly openly advocates “regime change” through military action, in other words war. He acknowledges that this would have “horrible” consequences:

Any war would mean the deaths of many thousands of South Korean soldiers and civilians, and many of the 37,000 American troops stationed on the front lines.

This, it must be said, is a bit of an understatement: the military projections I’ve seen place Korean casualties at closer to a million than to “many thousands”. There are reasons behind these projections: the most heavily populated area in South Korea would be the first target, and the natural avenue for a North Korean attack into the south would be along the heavily populated coastal plain. There are assumptions we have to make here, and first among them is that if the US is clearly intent on war, the North will attack before we build up our forces. They have both the capacity and the incentive; it would be foolish to assume that they would not. The South Korean military is capable, and our presence there is significant, but the North has a huge superiority in numerical terms, and the outcome of the conflict is hard to predict. One virtual certainty is that it would be fought in the most densely populated part of the South, with catastrophic consequences. That’s not even considering the reality that North Korea probably has a nuclear weapon and will probably use it in the event of all-out war.

If we propose war, then, as Muravchik does, what we essentially propose is the imposition of certain catastrophe on South Korea in order to reduce the risk of possible catastrophe to us somewhere down the line. In essence, we would be buying our own security with the lives of a million of so allies.

This is the reality that has constrained the use of military force on the peninsula in the past. Previous administrations, both Democrat and Republican, have generally resorted to the carrot, rather than the stick, in dealing with North Korea. That wasn’t because they were wimps, it’s because the price of using the stick was simply too high, and because the prospect of buying our security with somebody else’s blood was simply unacceptable to them, as it would be to most Americans.

This, of course, raises a problem with military intervention that Muravchik skips over completely. Muravchik may feel that the purchase of American security at the cost of the lives of a million or so Koreans, or even for that matter "many thousands" as quite a reasonable bargain. It is quite unlikely, though, that the Koreans in question would see it the same way.

Planning for a war on Korea would be constrained by the acceptance of allies to a far greater extent than planning for Iraq was. North Korea has land boundaries with only two countries: South Korea and China. The Chinese are not going to allow their territory to use as a staging area. The South Koreans probably won’t either: why should they allow themselves to be a base for a conflict that will almost certainly devastate them. There’s a very simple equation here: no South Korean consent for a buildup = no war. We could, of course, threaten to pull our troops out if the South doesn’t consent to being a platform for an attack. There’s no doubt that the South Koreans want the US force to stay, but the primary reason for the presence of that force, to South Koreans, is as a deterrent to war. If their choice was between certain war and an American pullout, does anybody doubt that they’d take the latter option? It can of course be argued that delay only makes the prospect more daunting, but that applies to us much more than it does to the South Koreans, and I don’t think very many in that country would want to submit to certain massive destruction now to avoid the possibility of greater destruction down the line.

That, of course, points to one of the more amusing bits of Muravchik’s article:

Meanwhile, South Korea, its habitual toughness vitiated by America's string of concessions, had launched its own policy of conciliation.

This suggests that the South Korean change of policy was a consequence of American concessions. In reality, of course, the South’s adoption of a more diplomacy-oriented approach to the North was a consequence of the South’s move out of military dictatorship and into democracy. Put simply, the South adopted a less aggressive posture because its new government was accountable to its people, and that’s what its people wanted.

Once again we see that democracy is not always convenient.

There’s an issue here that I would really like to see resolved, because it highlights the critical question of whether deterrence has value in preventing the release of WMD to terrorists. The question is the degree to which the source of a nuclear device can be tracked. I recall a serious discussion some time back, not on SI, that revolved around a Tom Clancy scenario in which the chemical signature of a nuclear blast was used to track the source of the fissile material. The discussion centered on the extent to which this is possible in the real world, and the technically adept in the discussion seemed to believe that it was very much feasible. That’s obviously not a credible citation, and I wouldn’t want anybody to believe it, but I would love to know more about it, if anybody has further information. Obviously this has great significance to the question of applying deterrence to rogue states.

My own preferred short-term option would be immediate negotiations trading a limited-duration verifiable freeze at Yongbyon for a limited-duration non-aggression agreement and a start to bilateral negotiations, maybe with a straight bribe of food or oil thrown in. That wouldn’t deal with activities outside Yongbyon, but we have no way to deal with such activities in any event. The non-aggression agreement is no giveaway at all: the idea would be to freeze the status quo until the Iraq thing is done, and until that’s done we can’t attack anyway. If you can get a concession in return for promising not to do something you can’t do, you win.

I’ve seen it written that we should not negotiate because negotiation means you give things away. That’s stupid beyond belief. Negotiation means that you talk. You only give something away if you choose to give it away, and you only make that choice if you think you’re getting a reasonable deal. The act of negotiating is not, in itself, a concession.

My own preferred targets for negotiation would revolve around getting an agreement to halt nuclear activities, with maximum possible verification (and we know that this would be imperfect), in return for a non-aggression pact and an aid package valuable enough that withdrawing it would cause real pain. The pact would be invalidated by any further nuclear weapons development or by certain categories of arms sales, so it wouldn’t be a giveaway at all: any circumstance that would lead us to attack would invalidate the pact anyway, so we wouldn’t give anything up.

There would have to be several levels of sanction: evidence of continuing nuclear weapons development would mean loss of all aid, and whatever harsher sanctions we can impose. Any evidence of sale of nuclear weapons materials could be met with loss of aid, full blockade, and an open-ended threat of “greater consequences”, possibly, for example, limited strikes on military targets and known nuclear installations. We would also have to make it clear to potential buyers that any such purchase would be met by military action. In this case, we have more military options available in dealing with potential buyers than we do in dealing with the potential seller, so it makes sense to lean harder on the demand side. Use by a third party of a nuclear device traceable to North Korea would be met with immediate annihilation.

It’s obviously true that there can be sales or transfers that we cannot trace. It may be true that our ability to trace the source of a nuclear device may be limited. The reverse also holds true: the North Koreans would know, going into the deal, that they cannot be sure the deal would not be traced or discovered. They weigh risk and reward as thoroughly as we do, we just have to be sure that the potential risks outweigh the potential rewards.

This is not a detailed proposal, nor is it meant to be. It’s just an attempt to point in the direction that an interim solution might take. This would not, of course, be a perfect solution, nor would it be devoid of risk. Unfortunately, this is true of all alternative solutions as well. We cannot eliminate risk in this situation. All we can do is try to devise a solution that minimizes risk to all parties. The Muravchik solution, which virtually guarantees carnage on a monumental scale, does not, I think, achieve this objective.