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To: tekboy who wrote (82819)	3/17/2003 11:11:13 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

As for your particular plan, it is a bit naive simply because a) almost nobody in real power here or (eventually) there will really care enough about the ordinary Iraq people to give them direct rebates, Actually, I had no particular illusions related to the vested interests who might oppose such an idea. But what strikes me as one of the more worrying aspects related to Iraq is exactly what kind of motivation will be required in order to convince the various factions in Iraq to remain united as Iraqis, rather than going their own way (and creating even more turmoil, as in the case of the Kurds)... What will motivate the common Iraqi to support the "system", rather than who leads the country from administration to administration.. And that common factor could only be money... Giving everyone a common interest in part of the proceeds from oil concession sales, infrastructure, and general revenues. Giving them a stake in remaining part of one Federal state, rather than non-viable ethnic enclaves. And what better way for Bush to send the message that "Iraqi oil belongs to the Iraqi people"?? And while it would face much opposition, the importance of creating such a common denominator could set a terrific example at undermining the pattern of corruption which runs rampant through these middle eastern societies. We're going to have a military government for at least 2 years, which will provide the Americans considerable leeway in just how a post-Saddam Iraq is set up. And it's a great way to pull popular support in behind the US and its efforts to modernize, and moderate, the entire region. Hawk

To: tekboy who wrote (82819)	3/18/2003 2:43:53 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

From friends to foes How President Bush turned traditional allies into enemies By Paul Glastris* SLATE.COM March 17 msnbc.com <<...There are no double-blind studies in diplomacy, so we can never know for certain if a president’s strategy for a given crisis is wise or if a different one might have worked better. Occasionally, however, history throws up a comparison that is so apt that it can serve as a pretty reasonable test. If, for instance, you want to know whether the collapse of George W. Bush’s efforts to gain international support for war on Iraq is the inevitable result of difficult circumstances and intransigent allies or a fundamentally flawed strategy, consider the following comparison...>> *Paul Glastris is editor in chief of the Washington Monthly and a senior fellow at the Western Policy Center.

To: tekboy who wrote (82819)	8/20/2003 3:35:49 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hello Tekuboi-san. Gideon Rose is holding a hui soon, care of the Noo Yawk Times. Submit your questions. It's today at 4pm, Eastern Time [Eastern USA, not far eastern]. forums.nytimes.com@@.f4a5ed9 Of course, the question which matters is: Will the USA support and organize a United Nations reconstitution conference to change the UN from a World War II Victor's Club to a New United Nations which is actually representative of We the Sheople? Not that France was a victor, but they got into the Veto gang anyway, presumably because they were once upon a time a major force in the world, full of Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite. Even giving a replica of their little statue by the Seine to the USA to welcome the surging tide of refugees from warring, feudal, Europe. Having Syria and Libya as 'real' countries, with a comparable vote to India, Japan, Germany and Mexico is absurd. So, come on mate, ask the real questions, cut to the chase and abandon the quagmire of feudal warring nation states. We've seen up close and personal, over millennia and now in our time, what a mess that makes. It's the Arabian Nights writ large. My email's on the blink on my notebook computer and it's cold upstairs, so maybe somebody would kindly deliver my question. [I'm lying in bed at 7.20 am with wind and rain and winter outside - brrrrr ..... oh for a European heat wave and some serious greenhouse effect = let's get that NUN organized and get the Iraqi oil out of the ground and get Iraq on its feet and the the Cow troops home to their villages]. From the sidelines, Mqurice PS: Did you see Hu Jintao is coming to Kiwiland in October? He might be nicer to us than the mean old USA which keeps giving us a boot because we don't like Weapons of Mass Destruction or noocular power plants [especially in our harbours]. Maybe I should click my mouse and invest in China instead of the USA. <At 4 p.m. ET today, Gideon Rose, managing editor of Foreign Affairs and an expert on national security and terrorism, far right, will answer readers' questions about yesterday's bombing in Baghdad and the United States occupation of Iraq. All questions must be submitted in advance. Submit a Question The chat will be hosted by Bernard Gwertzman, above left, consulting editor for cfr.org and former editor of NYTimes.com. Read a transcript of a recent Council of Foreign Relations debate on Iraq. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New York Times on the Web Forums 2003 Live Events Live Event: Gideon Rose -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To post a message, compose your text in the box below, then click on Post My Message (below) to send the message. Message: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You cannot rewrite history, but you will have 30 minutes to make any changes or fixes after you post a message. Just click on the Edit button which follows your message after you post it. >