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Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Mannie who wrote (14766)3/17/2003 3:14:08 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
I like how you folks ignore major portions of my responses
that are rooted in logic, reason & fact, so you just move
on to more BS & disparaging personal remarks.

I stand by what I posted Scott. Just because you hate both
parties doesn't make lying or distortions or slander any
more moral or ethical.

Bottom line, a lie is a lie is a lie. Same goes for blatant
distortions, baseless allegations & fantasy land conspiracy
theories. I have exposed far too many from folks here. I
have watched all too many Senators & Congressmen do
precisely the same thing against the Bush Administration.
There is no way any honest person can deny that what I am
exposing isn't occurring regularly here.

You can make all you excuses for yourself that you wish.
You can disparage me all you want. What you cannot do is
change the reality of what I have done. Your peers here &
your elected officials have clearly shown their lack of
morals & ethics all in the name of political gain &
absolutely nothing else. If there is another reason for
such despicable behavior, I'd surely like to hear it.

"Personally, I see you as being very unworldly in you opinions."

What? I should be more French in my thinking? German?
Russian? Should I see Iraq as a customer first & foremost?
Should I be concerned that if Saddam is disarmed by force
that my country will be exposed for illegal arms sales or
helping him reconstruct his WMD programs as France,
Germany & Russia have done? What would traveling the world
change?

Perhaps I should I see Saddam for what he is....... a
clear & present danger, a madman, a murderer, a sadist who
has no concern for human rights whatsoever? If the UN
couldn't disarm Saddam in over 12 years, what makes you
think that more time will solve anything? What makes you
think that after the last six months staring down the
barrel of 200k+++ US & British guns knowing that the
expectation was for full, immediate & complete compliance
with resolution 1441......... the 17th such resolution
demanding immediate & complete disarming of all WMD & WMD
programs...... that more time & any different approach is
going to bring about compliance?

Meanwhile, Saddam continues to slaughter his own people &
those sanctions you blame Bush, but not Clinton for, are
causing innocent children & adults to die needlessly.

Bottom line... no matter what happens, you & Scott & his
peers find fault with Bush no matter what he does, right or
wrong & whether it has any basis in reality or not. That
Scott is as obvious as the nose on your face.

And what you people here won't ever admit is that it pisses
you all off because I repeatedly expose your obvious
immoral & unethical conduct.



To: Mannie who wrote (14766)3/17/2003 3:17:59 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Economic Costs Could Weaken Bush Politically

By David Von Drehle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 16, 2003

The crisis in Iraq has become a sharply personal test for President Bush, placing public trust in his judgment -- perhaps a president's most important asset -- at the heart of the issue.

Friends and critics generally agree that a bad outcome could undermine trust in his leadership not only abroad but also at home, with ramifications from Capitol Hill to Wall Street to Main Street and the ballot box. If events tend to show that Bush has miscalculated, that his critics sized up the risks better than he did, it would undercut confidence in his approach to domestic issues: the lagging economy, reform of major entitlement programs, homeland security and so on.

If, on the other hand, his judgment were vindicated by success in Iraq -- a quick war, minimum loss of life, and a relatively calm aftermath -- Bush could be rewarded with a surge in confidence among investors and consumers. Oil industry analysts say a quick war with a mild aftermath would probably lead to a significant drop in oil prices, and many economists believe Wall Street would respond.

Even the best results, though, might not return Bush to the stratospheric level of support he enjoyed from Americans in the aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001. The fierce debate over Iraq has catalyzed opposition to Bush in a way that earlier events did not, which could limit the potential impact of a victory on domestic issues. Given the narrowly divided Congress, "war in Iraq is not going to make his Medicare proposal more palatable back home," said Bruce Reed, chief domestic policy adviser in the Clinton administration.

In effect, Bush has staked his judgment against the judgment of a daunting roster of world leaders. At a recent news conference, he repeatedly answered questions about world opinion by citing his personal convictions. "I make my decisions based upon the oath I took," he said. ". . . I believe Saddam Hussein is a threat. He's a threat to the American people. He's a threat to people in his neighborhood. He's also a threat to the Iraqi people."

It is unusual for a president to be so completely identified with a war, according to historian Douglas Brinkley. The Mexican-American War of 1848, he noted, was widely known as "Mr. Polk's War," because President James K. Polk essentially made it happen. "This might be called Mr. Bush's War."

He continued: "If things don't turn out right and the economy stays sour and terrorist acts are going on around the world, it gives the opposition party a lot of issues."

Worry over home-front effects of the war begins with the price of oil.

Few, if any, factors mean as much to the economy, or land so squarely on the wallets of consumers. Some critics of the war worry that Hussein could sabotage his own oil fields if faced with defeat, and attack the fields in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. If enough damage were done to seriously disrupt Middle East oil production, the global economy would almost certainly slide into a recession, economists generally agree.

However, if the disruption were limited to Iraq, oil prices would probably drop -- something voters and investors would like to see. According to James Placke, an Iraq expert and oil analyst at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, prices are already quite high because of a recent strike in the Venezuelan oil fields and general fears about war.

"Now Venezuela is coming back," he said. "A war premium of four or five dollars is already factored in. If war goes well from the U.S. perspective, the price would drop almost immediately below $30 per barrel." The price is currently around $32 per barrel. Once the 1991 Persian Gulf War got underway, Placke said, "the price dropped $10 a barrel overnight," and Hussein's decision to torch the Kuwaiti fields "didn't really have much effect."

While the U.N. debate has frayed alliances and given Wall Street the jitters, it has actually reduced the danger of an oil crisis by delaying a war. The end of winter typically reduces global demand for oil by about 2 million barrels per day, roughly the equivalent of the entire production of Iraq. Other OPEC members have pledged to increase production if necessary to maintain a steady supply.

In the longer term, many experts expect that the cost of reconstructing Iraq, including care of refugees, troops to keep the peace and repairs to bombed infrastructure, would add scores -- even hundreds -- of billions to a federal deficit already spiraling out of control. Some administration supporters worry that Bush would turn from a relatively successful war only to find himself stymied domestically by red ink and a Democratic Party gearing up for the next election.

"We saw with his father that winning a war with Iraq doesn't necessarily mean you're out of the woods," said one Republican with close ties to the White House.

Democrat Reed agreed. "It's possible the war could strengthen his hand in his own party," he said, thus allowing Bush to pass some legislation on straight party lines. "But things will get back to normal pretty quickly. As soon as the White House gets back to a partisan agenda, the partisan divisions will reemerge."

Democrats would also be affected by the course of a war. Among the nine announced candidates for the presidential nomination are some antiwar candidates, some pro-war candidates and a few with highly nuanced positions somewhere in the middle. Events in Iraq will strengthen some and damage others; Iraq could be the issue that reinvigorates the Democratic left after a decade of Clintonian political moderation.

Bush, ultimately, has staked his political future and his legacy on Iraq; failure would probably spell the end of his project to shift the balance of power in American politics decisively rightward and establish a lasting Republican majority. At home as well as abroad, this has become a defining moment.

"They've raised expectations very high," said Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations. "They've answered doubts about policy with assurances that it's a short war. Usually you lower expectations. They've raised them."

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

washingtonpost.com



To: Mannie who wrote (14766)3/17/2003 4:10:24 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Powell will take the rap for failed diplomacy

Matthew Engel in Washington
Monday March 17, 2003
The Guardian

Recrimination at the failure of US diplomacy has begun in Washington, one source close to the administration admitting yesterday: "This has been the worst American diplomatic debacle of our lifetime."

Administration sources suggest that this is the prelude to a postwar bloodletting in which the secretary of state, Colin Powell, will be the fall guy.

He will be blamed for encouraging George Bush to take the issue to the UN, for failing to grasp the extent and power of French and Russian opposition, failing to anticipate that the weapons inspectors would not adhere to the US's timetable, and for his puzzling refusal to pursue the kind of shuttle diplomacy normal in the state department for the past 30 years.

"There's a recognition this has not been our finest diplomatic hour," the New York Times quoted a senior official as saying on Friday, adding that his voice was "dripping with understatement".

In the Washington Post James Mann of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies described the administration's foreign policy as "a major intellectual failure" that would have consequences long after the war is over.

This aspect of the crisis has finally given Democratic contenders for the 2004 presidential election - most of them terrified to attack the president directly over Iraq - an issue they can hammer home without having their patriotism impugned.

guardian.co.uk