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To: Elsewhere who wrote (83271)	3/18/2003 6:12:37 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I doubt that Pollack "thinks the reason for the increase in the public's support for Bush was the misbehavior of German and France at the UN". China and Russia are much more important UNSC members than temporary, non-veto member Germany. And support of US citizens isn't that solid: 48% in favor, 50% against the current modus operandi without UNSC backing. JJ, I would not have posted that Pollack thinks that if I had not heard him say it. An Hour ago. On the "Rose" show. As far as the citizens backing our action, those against us doing so consistantly underestimate Bush's support. Watch the polls out by Wednesday. Personally, I think we are really pissed at the French more than the Germans. But Schroeder should not plan on a State visit here in the near future. :>)

To: Elsewhere who wrote (83271)	3/18/2003 6:21:34 AM
From: paul_philp	Respond to of 281500

UN inspectors have dismantled more Iraqi weapons than the Allied Forces during the previous Gulf War. So, the real finds came afterwards. David Kay made the big nuclear program find after the Gulf War, Richard Butler found a lot as did Scott Ritter. I doubt that Pollack "thinks the reason for the increase in the public's support for Bush was the misbehavior of German and France at the UN". The French were on the leading edge of lets let the inspectors have a few more months suggestions and the Germans went along for the ride. The complete lack of serious counterproposals did make the French seem not-at-all-serious. The veto-no-matter-what-cirumstance stand was over the top. This help Bush build support at home. Here is some more current polling data: Over the weekend, US public opinion seemed to be moving in support of the president on Iraq. The latest opinion polls suggests that the US public now backs military action against Saddam Hussein by two to one (64% to 33%), an increase of 5% over the last two weeks. But the country appeared divided on whether war was justified without a UN resolution, with only 47% supporting war in that case. news.bbc.co.uk Now we know there won't be a resolution because of the French, I expect most of the 2nd resolution support to go the Bush. From CNN: Do you agree with President Bush's ultimatum for Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq? Yes 65% No 35% Support is getting up to 2-1 in favour. Paul

To: Elsewhere who wrote (83271)	3/18/2003 12:32:34 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 281500

It seems wise to reserve final judgment until a couple of years have passed. I agree, Jochen, but the US election cycle will preempt the wisdom of your remark. We are already into a rolling process of making that judgment, constantly reworking it. It will start getting very heated in the primary season in late 03 and early 04, which, as you may not know, has been moved forward. Lots of big primaries early in 03, which will move that heavy campaign season into late 04 and perhaps a bit earlier.