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To: The Duke of URL© who wrote (173621)	3/18/2003 1:57:17 PM
From: Saturn V	Respond to of 186894

Ref < "ATI Signs Pentium M Bus License Agreement with Intel"....... Why would ati need a license? Is this Intel's attempt to revive the Micro Channel? > Upto the Pentium 1 vintage, anyone could build a chipset for 386,486 and Pentium 1 bus. [ I am refering to the "Motherboard Bus", which links the processor to the chipsets, and not the PCI or ISA bus which defines the backplane expansion bus for add in cards. ] Starting with Pentium 2, Intel has used a proprietary patented "Motherboard Bus" which has to be licensed by a chipset manufacturer. The Pentium 4 again required a fresh new license. Via and Intel have had significant litigation on the licencing terms of the bus. I believe that the ultimate objective of licensing the bus was not to put obstacles for the makers of the chipsets( who are providing Intel a service), but to exclude AMD from ever thinking of coming up with processors compatible with the Intel bus, and thus cheaply using the bus infrastructure nurtured by Intel. Intel and AMD signed an official agreement which precludes AMD from using the Post Pentium 1 bus structure, but licensing of the bus ensures that AMD cannot challenge the agreement.

To: The Duke of URL© who wrote (173621)	3/18/2003 4:38:55 PM
From: Windsock	Respond to of 186894

Peripherals do just plug in but ATI wants to produce an integrated chipset with graphics. Intel does have patents that protect its chipsets. In the past Intel both has licensed and filed suit on some of its patents. So a new player that wants to sell a P4 chipset will need a license from Intel whether or not they have integrated graphics. The probability that ATI has patents on graphic processors that are likely to have value to Intel may well reduce ATI's cost for a P4 License.

To: The Duke of URL© who wrote (173621)	3/18/2003 11:54:43 PM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

(On Topic) Hi Duke, Saturn, etc. & Thread - I wonder if Intel pushed back some of their marketing campaigns on Centrino. Nothing like having a product launch compete with war coverage. Bet it dilutes the marketing dollars. Who here, is all buying a notebook/laptop/PC this year? I know quite a few people that are going to buy Centrino's, including myself. I'm also going to get ms-tablet. WBM had a post on IHUB about a wifi tablet/laptop combo that looked interesting. Regards, Amy J