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To: zonder who wrote (68820)	3/18/2003 11:43:32 AM
From: Gary Ng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Re: Kids' minds cannot deal with such subjects, and so their ideas on religion are simple, rigid, and harsh Sounds like someone I constantly watched on TV lately.

To: zonder who wrote (68820)	3/18/2003 11:47:47 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

The apposite if incorrect rhyme at this point... "Roses are red, Violets are bluish. If it wasn't for Jesus We'd all be Jewish." I got the rhyme above from my (very) Jewish grandfather; I'm sure he might have mentioned to me if he'd ever met much prejudice. He never did, and none of the side of the family which stayed religious has mentioned it or seemed to suffer any noticeable effects. I suppose you will hear a very few in the UK. They tend to be confined to the most elderly and reactionary Conservatives, and to the few remaining football yobs. They're probably outnumbered these days by anti-Arab comments - unless of course Cary was referring to both as anti-Semitic? In my experience, the only people of any religion except Islam who are likely to feel such prejudice in Europe are extremists of any stamp - ultra-orthodox Jews, fundie Xtians, Wiccans... and I tend to feel myself that they provoke such deliberately to revel in victimhood and difference. Muslims may well meet with more - because their practitioners are more visible, numerous and seen as more threatening... I've never heard of anyone outside US fundamentalist evangelicals or 14thC ranters trying the "You killed Jesus" slur... but was it Kentucky which tried removing evolution from the curriculum on religious grounds?

To: zonder who wrote (68820)	3/18/2003 4:38:07 PM
From: Cary Salsberg	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

RE: "Going with that logic, you must believe that hatred of Christians and Jews is fundamental to Islam." Did the Jews kill Mohammed, also? Did they kill Allah? RE: "I never heard Jewish people say Christians were all anti-Semites." The problem in the Middle East is caused by Zionism. Zionists believed that Jews would never be treated with respect until they had their own country. The Zionists were European Jews. They didn't just "say" it, they started a movement that produced the state of Israel because of it. RE: "I must say that their contempt for non-Jews when in groups is rather strange." Strsnge? I guess it must be if you have never heard of any anti-semitism among "non-Jews." Ponder this assertion. The Catholic Church expended more effort to save ex-Nazis after WW2 than they did to save Jews during the Holocaust.