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To: LindyBill who wrote (83545)	3/18/2003 9:26:53 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>goes down the tubes at 8Pm tomorrow night<< My own bet, as long as I am on a roll, is that it won't start on the dot. I don't think the reports we are seeing about mass defections are total BS. I think we are engaged in the process of rolling up the edges, as it were, and we won't start hitting the center until that's done. Also, Saddam still has the UN card to play -- which only gives him the power to leave Iraq alive -- but I don't discount the concept that he may do this in extremis. Tomorrow will be a very interesting day. Stay tuned.

To: LindyBill who wrote (83545)	3/18/2003 10:28:10 PM
From: BigBull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Carl is getting ready to eat an enormous meal of Crow that Nadine, CB, etc have prepared for him. Getting warmer... Soldiers and Equipment Head for Iraq Border in Vast Formation By PATRICK E. TYLER nytimes.com KUWAIT, March 18 — Artillery fire echoed through the Iraqi border region tonight and Iran's state television showed video of explosions from airstrikes in and around the Iraqi port of Basra, as the United States and Britain made final preparations to wage a war aimed at toppling Saddam Hussein's government in Baghdad. Following President Bush's 48-hour ultimatum to Mr. Hussein, United States Army and Marine divisions rolled toward the Iraqi frontier today. They formed a broad arc of thousands of vehicles, shoulder to shoulder in a sprawling phalanx facing north and visible to journalists scouting the area. Across 5,000 square miles of Kuwaiti desert, a full March moon tonight illuminated an army of 130,000 American and British soldiers arrayed with a host of M1A1 Abrams tanks, armored vehicles of every description, ubiquitous Humvees and humble troop transports, many of them short of equipment spares and tires as quartermasters scrambled to catch up. In the front of the formations, engineering battalions wheeled their bulldozers and heavy equipment into position to breach the ditches and earthen berms that lay between the army and the Iraqi desert. The sky over northern Kuwait was so thick with assault and transport helicopters that meteorologists trying to track an advancing sandstorm were forbidden to launch their weather balloons. Hundreds of helicopter pilots engaged in last-minute training exercises to master blind descents through the clouds of sand kicked up by their rotors.

To: LindyBill who wrote (83545)	3/23/2003 9:59:01 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi LindyBill; Re: "Carl is getting ready to eat an enormous meal of Crow that Nadine, CB, etc have prepared for him." My sadness over the beginning of this war is not exceeded by anyone. Nothing you can say to me would make me feel any worse than I already do. Before the war, I tried hard to show that the Iraqis would not greet us with flowers and parades. I told you guys that our real problem was going to be the civilians. Now our supply troops are getting ambushed by Iraqi civilians. That's right. Those Iraqi "soldiers" are cut off from Baghdad. They're no longer getting paid. Not only that, but these are civilians in the southern, Shiite part of Iraq. By the neoconservative's insane theories, these civilians should be throwing flowers at our passing convoys. Instead, they're in civilian dress, letting heavily armed US columns go past and shooting up stragglers. This is classic guerilla warfare that I did not expect to see until months after the invasion. *I would not have been surprised to see our troops greeted by cheering crowds in Basra, but even that is denied us.* Our occupation of Iraq is already a disaster. *Eventually we will exit the country with our tail between our legs.* These colors, the ones that I love so much, will run. I won't join the antiwar protests until the sentiment in the US starts to turn. Right now, people still see the "light at the end of the tunnel"; their enthusiasm is almost undimmed. Look for me on TV 3 months or so from now. When I light the American flag, there will be tears in my eyes. -- Carl P.S. I'm sure you're convinced that everything is just peachy. Here's a reminder of what you were saying only a few days ago: March 16, 2003 The "Word" now is that Bush will address the Nation tomorrow night and we should be in Baghdad by next weekend. #reply-18706985 LindyBill, March 19, 2003 What he is missing is the TV showing miles and miles of Heavy equipment convoys moving our Tanks, etc, through Turkey to the Iraq while our Troops set in the Ships off shore. It will be an easy job to Airlift the troops to Iraq to merge up with the tanks. #reply-18722779 What Bush did was to start the war without the troops in position. And with stiffening Iraqi resistance, this is not looking good.