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To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (29664)	3/20/2003 5:35:24 PM
From: NOW	Respond to of 36161

it takes a real conspiratorial mind set to imagine an administration filled with big oil folks taking actions that benefit big oil folks...just can't fathom what kind of mind would leap to such thinking.... As for our desire to liberate the Iraqi people, that would likely explain previous administrations attitudes and actions with regard to this madman....

To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (29664)	3/20/2003 6:41:32 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Respond to of 36161

How many times has Bush said publically & on the International Stage - "that the Iraqi Oil is the property of the people of Iraq"....not the property of Saddam, nor the property of America. Yes he has publicly stated that and in no uncertain terms just again the other night. I hope that is true, and I hope you are right. Without belaboring the point, the US has a poor record of backing the right power in these circumstances. Let's hope someone has learned a lesson somewhere by now. Let's hope this turns into success stories like Japan or Germany were and not another strongman backing escapade for all our sakes. because of the courage of George Bush & Tony Blair. It's what they do after that will take the courage and resolve. You know Slider it's very easy to punish children but nurturing is a long, hard and sometimes thankless path.

To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (29664)	3/20/2003 7:05:54 PM
From: Clappy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36161

If you have the right incentives you can make a case to invade who ever you want. Especially if they hold strategic resources or real estate. America & the free world will win, by restoring the Iraqi Oil Fields to their former production capacity and aiding in new exploration. Yes you are right. This article gives an idea who is bidding on that. ----- Postwar profiteers How a handful of construction firms got an early invitation to rebuild Iraq A select group of U.S. construction firms now bidding on a lucrative government contract to rebuild a postwar Iraq contributed a combined $2.8 million--68 percent to Republicans--over the past two election cycles. The U.S. Agency for International Development asked Bechtel Group Inc., Fluor Corp., Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root, Louis Berger Group Inc. and Parsons Corp. to submit bids last week for the $900-million contract. This initial estimate for repairing and building water systems, roads, bridges, schools and hospitals in the country is just the first step in what the Wall Street Journal called "the largest government reconstruction effort since Americans helped to rebuild Germany and Japan after World War II." The firms that land the contract are also likely to make the short list for future projects in Iraq, which include plans to develop the country's oil industry. Bechtel, the engineering giant that employed the likes of former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, former Secretary of State George Schultz and former CIA Director William Casey before they took their government posts, gave $1.3 million in individual, PAC and soft money contributions between 1999 and 2002. As it prepares its bid for the postwar project, Bechtel is facing allegations that it contributed to Iraq's military buildup nearly two decades ago. The San Francisco Chronicle has reported that a German journalist uncovered a document prepared for the United Nations by Iraq that says Bechtel was among 24 U.S. companies that supplied the country with weapons during the '80s. Kellogg, Brown & Root and parent company Halliburton--which was headed by Vice President Dick Cheney until 2000--was the second-largest donor of the group, with more than $709,000 in contributions. Halliburton also gave more to Bush's presidential campaign--$17,677--than any of the other bidders combined. Fluor, which gave more than $483,000 in individual, PAC and soft money contributions in the previous two election cycles, also has ties to the Defense Department. Kenneth Oscar, the company's vice president of strategy and government services, recently served as the acting assistant secretary of the Army, where he directed its $35 billion-a-year procurement budget. Representatives from Bechtel and Halliburton told reporters this week that they were asked to submit a bid because they've done similar work with USAID in the past. Both companies participated in the rebuilding of Kuwait, particularly its oil fields, after the Gulf War. workingforchange.com ------- Will American as well as International Oil companies play a role in the upgrading of the Iraqi Oil infastructure ? - Yes, but the Iraqi people will be the primary beneficiary of the return of the Oil proceeds to rebuilding their country & it's economy. I've read several articles that proposed that we will be able to pay for our war and occupation expenses with Iraqi oil. Many find it to be only fair since we will be rebuilding their nation for them. So if this is the case, what incentives do we have to make it an "inexpensive" stay? At what point will we say, "Okay, we are now paid in full." Who is going to tell us to get out? Not bad for us, but I see why other nations would be pissed. I certainly see all of the economic benefits there are for us. However much of the world does not see it as being fair. It fringes on being imperialistic. The Bush Admin failed at diplomacy because it want to. There weren't the proper incentives to succeed. If China or Russia was threatening to invade Mexico or Venezuela because a few of banditos from there flew some Cesnas loaded with cheap tequila and blew up Red Square or Bejing, I believe we would have insured that diplomacy won over war. It's all about incentives. You find what you want to find. You succeed when you want to succeed. The role that OIL plays in this War is secondary, but none the less, very, very important; as we must prevent OIL from being used as a WMED - ie: a Weapon of Mass Economic Destruction. So when we begin to run low on other natural resources will it be okay to invade them too? Just because a resource is valuable and high priced not mean it is used a "WMED". You'll all sleep in a much safer, secure world tonight and tomorrow, because of the courage of George Bush & Tony Blair. Al Qaida is going to have more recruits than ever before. To cripple our economy all it will take is another few hits to NYC and the other cities. If I lived in Bumfug, Wyoming or Cowtown, Montana I might sleep peacefully. Otherwise I'm not certain how much safer and secure we are. Time will tell. I still think the world sees this invasion as another step in securing for ourselves strategic places for military bases and low cost energy. Everything else all conveiniently fits along with our story... It's a win-win situation for President Cheney and his buddies.

To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (29664)	3/20/2003 11:43:05 PM
From: SOROS	Respond to of 36161

If Iraq uses no WMD in this war or in terror attacks during this war, what does that mean in your opinion? If you were the leader of Iraq, would you use them and why or why not? I remain, SOROS

To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (29664)	3/21/2003 12:13:31 AM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 36161

You seem to contradict yourself: <<The role that OIL plays in this War is secondary, but none the less, very, very important; as we must prevent OIL from being used as a WMED - ie: a Weapon of Mass Economic Destruction.>> IMO it is not clear AT ALL that this action is going to help reduce terrorism. We need a long term education and relations plan that brings all people together, not divide them. At least this should be quick and relatively painless. Then we still have the long term task of getting to know the Muslim world and making sure they get to know us. DAK

To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (29664)	3/21/2003 12:53:50 AM
From: lifeisgood	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36161

You'll all sleep in a much safer, secure world tonight and tomorrow, because of the courage of George Bush & Tony Blair. And how is that??? Because of this war, we will be the biggest target of radical groups of every kind in the history of this country. Because of this war, we have made more enemies of former allies than anyone thought was possible. How can you reconcile your statement with these facts??? Oh, and one more thing. I wouldn't say Bush has courage because he's willing to send other people's kids to die in battle. I would call it courage if he sent his own kids. Of course, he would have to get them off of booze and crack first because you can't shoot very straight when you're on that stuff. best... LIG