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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (15199)3/21/2003 2:31:29 PM
From: jlallen  Respond to of 89467
 
LOL!

What are the lies?

What are the distortions?

What are the inaccuracies.....???



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (15199)3/21/2003 2:42:05 PM
From: lurqer  Respond to of 89467
 
While suffering from sever myopia, several gaping holes, and a complete misapprehension of the Islamic world, the following article was nevertheless a stimulating read.

investorshub.com

lurqer



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (15199)3/21/2003 2:51:14 PM
From: w0z  Respond to of 89467
 
Only Hussein's Removal Can Free Women

By Katrin Michael
Katrin Michael is a member of Women for a Free Iraq, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group.

March 13, 2003

As an Iraqi woman who wages peace and has fought in war, I am compelled to support a U.S.-led action to remove Saddam Hussein. After 26 years of resistance against Hussein, I have come to the conclusion that only forces from outside Iraq can bring an end to the nightmare of his rule.

The stories of Hussein's brutality are all true. Ethnic cleansing, summary imprisonment and execution, torture and rape are all part of the nightmare. I know this from personal experience.

My father founded an Iraqi peace movement, a crime for which he was murdered. At the age of 14, I was arrested by the regime merely because I joined the Iraqi Women's League. I was not the only young girl arrested for such a trivial offense.

Later, I joined the Kurdish resistance, even though I was, in their eyes, a mere woman and a Christian. I traveled in disguise to Baghdad and around the country to organize the opposition to Hussein. But when I was injured in one of his chemical bombardments against hundreds of Kurdish villages in 1987 and 1988, I was forced to flee to a refugee camp in Southern Turkey, where I stayed until I recovered and finally reached freedom in the United States in 1997. I continue to suffer to this day from lung, nerve and eye damage caused by these weapons.

No one in Iraq is immune from Hussein's brutality - not even the closest members of his family. He even executed two of his own sons-in-law in 1996. But women are especially targeted as part of his broader policies of intimidation.

A commonly used form of torture is to bring in a detainee's female relative, preferably his wife, daughter or mother, and gang rape her in front of him.

Members of the Iraqi opposition in exile receive videotapes of their female relatives in Iraq being raped. Women who criticize or merely offend Hussein are accused of being prostitutes and regularly beheaded in public.


His son, Uday, often leads these beheadings. They occur in Baghdad, as well as in smaller villages throughout Iraq. The heads of the executed women are hung on the doors of their houses for all to see.

I am saddened when I see people who sincerely care for the fate of the Iraqi people resist the American-led effort to remove Hussein and restore hope for the Iraqis. We cannot do it alone.

Iraqis had their closest brush with freedom in 1991, during Operation Desert Storm. I regret, as do most Iraqis, that the United States and its allies allowed Hussein to quash this resistance and remain in power. Those who care about peace and justice for the Iraqis should not make the same mistake again.

Hussein will never leave power willingly. He will never give up his weapons or allow the Iraqi people to live in freedom.

newsday.com



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (15199)3/21/2003 3:00:52 PM
From: w0z  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Let’s Give Genocide A Chance
March 14, 2003

The Real Goal of America’s Anti-War Crowd



Here’s an idea: Let’s give genocide a chance in Iraq.

And let's give torture and maiming and rape a chance, too. Especially the government-sponsored kind of rape where kids are forced to watch as their mothers are bound and ravaged repeatedly by filthy, leering monsters in army uniforms.

But why stop there? Let's give this other unique type of family outing a chance. After the mom is bloodied and gang raped, let's let her and the kids watch as her husband has his body beaten, eyes gouged out, private parts singed with electric prods, tongue and ears cut off and his head blown apart by a goon with a gun.

And who wouldn't want to give this fine form of human sport a chance to flourish: Forcing gasoline down a man's gagging throat and then putting a match to his mouth and watching his body explode?

If you're disgusted, you should be. Because there are now millions of Americans who are passionately fighting for the right of men to rape women, torture kids and blow out the brains of innocent people. These supporters of rape, torture and murder are America's leftists, anti-war protesters, worthless poets, college professors, most Democrats and knee-jerk George W. Bush and America haters.

In their opposition to the coming U.S. invasion of Iraq they are supporting Saddam Hussein. And in supporting Hussein they are shouting loudly to the world: Give genocide a chance!

What else could they be saying? It's no secret that Hussein is the worst thing since the Jew-burning Hitler, the Ukrainian-starving Joe Stalin and the weird Cambodian Pol Pot, whose idea of a utopian, agrarian society was to murder two million people.

Why would anybody oppose the idea of the U.S. using any and every means possible to oust a murdering, torturing, raping tyrant unless they supported rape, torture and murder?

The only conclusion is that they think Hussein is a swell guy and that his frequent spasms of genocide against his own people and his vow to destroy Israel and kill millions of Jews are worthwhile pursuits.

Actually, they don't. If Hussein and his monsters were to descend on Berkeley and start raping political science and womens studies professors the anti-war crowd would don their berets and march in the streets (If Hussein were in power there they'd be shot or hauled off to prison where they'd be tortured and raped). But, by God, they would be angry. They'd get the city council to pass a resolution denouncing rape and murder and, who knows, they might even beg the U. S. military to protect them.

And that's the ugly, sickening secret of the anti-war crowd, the New York artsy elite and the Ted Kennedy's of America. When it comes to freedom, safety and security they're selfish pigs. They've got theirs, and everyone else can go to hell--or to a dungeon to be beaten, raped and murdered.

They must be protected from rapist and murders, but 24 million Iraqis don't deserve the same. They must be free to march, oppose government and demand laws that require that pet owners be called pet guardians, but when Iraqis are gunned down for demanding an end to government-sponsored mass murder, they don't deserve the help and protection of those who are already free.

The anti-war people smugly talk about the immorality of the coming U.S. war and death it will bring to Iraqis. But they apparently don't think it's immoral for Hussein to kill his own people.

Their tiny minds shudder when thinking about the deaths of children that U.S. economic sanctions against Iraq have supposedly caused (a bogus charge, by the way), but the fact that Hussein beheads children doesn't cause their consciences to throb even a tiny bit.

They've got their freedom, and damn if they'll lift a finger to give anyone else theirs. They're special, and the rest of the world's people are meant to be slaves, torture toys for demented dictators and fuel for concentration camp ovens.

It's always been that way with this crowd. During the Cold War they were offended that America stood down the slave-driving Soviets. That the Russians had made slaves out of Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Bulgarians, Germans, Albanians, Yugoslavians and Romanians didn't matter to them. They had their freedom, so the hell with everyone else.

And who knows, maybe they thought it was quaint that all those slaves had to stand in lines for five hours to buy lumps of lard for dinner After all, if there were no oppressed people they'd have nothing to write anguished poetry about.

But these people can’t hide behind their sanctimonious indignation against war. The world knows that Hussein is a baby Hitler and that he wants to rape, torture, kill and kill some more. By opposing America’s attempts to oust Hussein, they’re supporting him. And in supporting him, they’re approving of mass murder, the beheading of children, rape, the poking out of eyes and the severing of tongues and ears.

Imagine for a moment the screams of those Iraqi women who are being raped by Hussein’s goons and of the kids who are being forced to watch their parents being shot, and then think of all those bearded poets, anti-war protesters and America haters.

Isn’t it wonderful that they want to give genocide a chance?

zalski.com



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (15199)3/21/2003 3:04:32 PM
From: w0z  Respond to of 89467
 
Iraqi Women Speak Out about Life under Saddam's Dictatorship
National Press Club audience hears accounts of Saddam’s persecution

By Lindsey Brooks
Washington File Staff Writer

Washington — In 1991, Sabria Mahdi Naama and her children found themselves fleeing for their lives from their native land, Iraq. Her husband, Abbas Kareem Naama, had been gone for months and she had no idea if he was alive or dead.

Naama brought a National Press Club audience to tears October 4 as she recounted her family's arduous journey to freedom after months of hiding from Saddam Hussein's security forces.

The mother of five was part of a panel called, "The Unheard Voices of Iraqi Women," sponsored by the International Alliance for Justice, a network of 275 non-governmental organizations (NGOs) from over 120 countries. The group sought to put a spotlight on human rights violations that continue to be a hallmark of Saddam's rule in Iraq.

Naama and her husband, a former general in the Iraqi army, are Shiites, a Muslim majority in Iraq. After the Gulf War, General Naama participated in an uprising against Saddam Hussein in the southern part of the country, along with a few other senior military officials. Eventually, her husband was forced to flee their village to save his life, she said.

For months, Naama said she feared her husband had been executed by Saddam's regime. But, an even greater dread was that if he were alive, the Iraqi dictator would order the arrest of her children as a means to lure the general from hiding. Finally, Naama herself was forced to flee with her children.

"I bitterly left my homeland when it was absolutely unsafe for my kids and my family to stay even one day more," Naama said. She spoke in Arabic, and her daughter, Ersa, translated into English.

"Our guilt was that we protested the destruction of our life and the death of two members of our family ... We participated in the uprising to defend our life and our kids. When at last we arrived at the Rafha camp in the Saudi desert we were ghosts in the shape of human bodies," Naama said. "My kids were at the edge of death."

General Naama had been able to escape to the same camp and their family was reunited. After living in the desert camp for two years, they were moved to San Diego, California with a group of refugees.

Along with Naama, six other women from various regional, ethnic and religious backgrounds in Iraq shared their experiences living under Saddam's dictatorship.

Safia Al Souhail, the advocacy director for the Middle East and Islamic world at the International Alliance for Justice, said, "We, the women of Iraq, for the last three decades have suffered under an extraordinarily brutal regime, everybody in this panel has lost loved ones in various wars launched by Saddam…in the most aggressive and inhuman ways possible."

Al Souhail said Saddam's operatives in Beirut assassinated her father, Sheik Taleb Al Souhail, chief of the Bani Tamim tribe in Iraq, in 1994.

"We are here because of our common wounds and common aspirations, which is to see our country free from the repression of Saddam Hussein and his regime. Iraq under Saddam's regime has become a land of hopelessness, sadness, and fear. A country where people are ethnically cleansed ... rape is systematic . . . congenital malformation, birth defects, infertility, cancer and various disorders are the results of Saddam's gassing of his own people ... the killing and torturing of husbands in front of their wives and children occurs ... Iraq under Saddam has become a hell and a museum of crimes," Al Souhail said.

Nidal Shaikh Shallal related some of the ways Iraqi women have suffered at the hands of Saddam.

"The Iraqi woman has lost her loved ones — husbands, brothers and fathers," Shallal said. "The Iraqi woman has endured torture, murder, confinement, execution, and banishment, just like others in Iraqi society at the hands of Saddam Hussein's criminal gang."

"The heads of many women have been publicly cut off in the streets under the pretext of being liars, while in fact they mostly belonged to families opposing the Iraqi regime. Women, especially dissident women, have been raped by members of Saddam Hussein's gang ... The wives of dissidents have been either killed or tortured in front of their husbands in order to obtain confessions from their husbands . . . Women have been kidnapped as they walk in the streets by members of the gangs of Uday and Qusay [Saddam’s sons] and then raped," Shallal said.

On a personal level, Shallal and her husband had their possessions confiscated and were expelled from their home by the Iraqi regime. She was fired from her government job and her husband was jailed for four months and tortured by Iraqi military intelligence.

Shallal's brother was arrested in 1980 and her family still does not know what happened to him. Several of her cousins have been executed and as many as 882 male relatives and tribal members, the Jibour tribe, have been arrested and their fates are unknown, she said.

The panel at the news conference also included four Kurdish activists: Zakia Ismail Hakki, a lawyer and former president of the Kurdish Women's Foundation who became the first woman judge in Iraq; Hetau Ibrahim Ahmad; Paiman Halmat; and Dr. Katrin Michael. The four spoke of Saddam's persecution of the Kurdish population.

Halmat, a teacher, said, "It has been the Iraqi regime's policy to change the demography of Iraq, by eradicating the Kurdish population from areas that are deemed important in the north of the country. The regime has done this through forced deportation, arbitrary arrests and systematic torture."

Michael said, "In 1987 I was in the Bahdinan region when the government bombed us with chemical weapons. I am still suffering from that bombing to this day."

Michael said she has a vision of an Iraq without Saddam that would have a developed civil society that enshrines equal rights under the law; equal wages for men and women; and protection for women against violence and rape.

The women who spoke out at the National Press Club hope that their stories of life under Saddam will help the rest of world understand the suffering that Saddam’s regime has imposed on Iraqis. They also hope that the rest of the world will understand their yearning for a different, and much better, future for all Iraqis.

usinfo.state.gov



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (15199)3/21/2003 3:04:59 PM
From: w0z  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
An Appeal For Action On Behalf Of Iraqi Women
Coalition For Justice In Iraq | 25/04/2001

Since October 2000, Saddam Hussein and high-ranking officials of the Iraqi Regime have
launched a terror campaign against Iraqi women. Since 1994, a series of decrees have been
brutally applied which legalized amputations to punish deserters and thieves. Now
decapitation is being used to punish women accused of prostitution. Saddam Hussein’s son,
Uday Hussein, ordered a militia group to hunt and execute women without the benefit of
legal representation. More than 80 women, including female doctors suspected of being
hostile to the Regime, have been publicly decapitated. In some cases, their heads were
gruesomely displayed on the walls of their homes. It is common knowledge in Iraq that the
Regime encouraged the development of prostitution networks to service their dignitaries and
to entrap individuals, including high-ranking political or military officials, suspected of
plotting against the Regime. Before the Gulf War, women were actually bought by the Iraqi
Regime from various Asian countries for this purpose.

These crimes against women, perpetrated in the name of the fight against moral decadence,
are particularly heinous.The Regime of Terror led by Saddam Hussein has expanded more
aggressively into the repression of women as a means to more fully control the Iraqi
population:

- Iraqi Security Services are known for their extreme violence and evidence now shows the
systematic rape of women prisoners.

- A terrible form political blackmail is also used against members of the opposition abroad,
against some members of the Military and the Police, and against some high ranking
officials: the rape of wives, sisters and daughters are recorded on video-tape and sent to their
families. If there is the slightest suspicion of treason, those videos are shown publicly.

- Many testimonies confirm that young women are routinely abducted and offered to
Iraqi dignitaries.

- Intimidation and threats are frequently used to force women to become secret agents
for the Iraqi Regime.

- Additional laws have been enacted which allow male relatives to execute women accused
of adultery without the chance to defend themselves.

To this somber picture, one must add the fate of Kurdish women who have suffered from the
Anfal Campaign. In the course of this callous campaign of systematic repression by the Iraqi
regime against Kurdish populations, close to 200.000 Kurds have disappeared. The
systematic elimination of all men and male teenagers during these attacks, such as in the
Barzan region where 8000 men are missing or the more than 5000 missing Fayli Kurds
whose women and children in a hopeless situation. Unable to remarry and needing to take
care of their children, these women have never received justice and live in situations of great
poverty. Other women have been the direct victims of chemical bombings and have suffered
deteriorating physical and mental health over the years without access to care. Premature
menopause and birth defects contribute to a dramatically increased rate of suicide.

As signatories to this appeal, we recall respectively the conclusions and the
recommendations of Mr. Max van der Stoel and of Mr. Mavromatis, successively appointed
as Special Rapporteurs to the United Nations on the Human Rights situation in Iraq. We
recall as well that systematic rape is a crime against humanity according to the International
Criminal Tribunal and appeal to the International Community and to the French Authorities
in particular to ask for the following actions:

- To act so as to put an end to serious and repeated violations perpetrated against
women.

- To support the families of those who have disappeared in their search for justice and
truth and to investigate the possibility of providing the aid necessary for their survival.

- To request the establishment of a group of experts under the aegis of the Secretary
General of the United Nations or of a Committee mandated by the Security Council of
the United Nations to study the crimes perpetrated by the Iraqi Regime that fall into the
category of crimes against humanity.

We ask you to circulate this petition for signature and to sending them to us at the address
below. The people of Iraq, especially the women, thank you for caring.

geocities.com



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (15199)3/21/2003 3:07:35 PM
From: w0z  Respond to of 89467
 
Rights: Iraq
Ms PANOPOULOS (2.29 p.m.) —My question is addressed to the Minister for Foreign Affairs. Would the minister inform the House of the appalling treatment of Iraqi women by Saddam Hussein's regime?

Mr DOWNER —First of all, I thank the honourable member for Indi for her question. I know that on this side of the House there are deep concerns about the human rights record of Saddam Hussein and his regime, and the member for Indi is one of those who shares those deep concerns. I have spoken in answer to questions both yesterday and last week about the government's deep concerns about Saddam Hussein's gruesome history of systematic and egregious human rights abuses. This simply underlines the type of regime and the nature of the leader of that regime that the international community is dealing with at this time. Like Iraqis generally, women are subject to a range of degrading human rights abuses, such as prolonged imprisonment without trial, forced resettlement, torture, and of course disappearance, as I spoke about yesterday. But women also are subject to particularly vile forms of abuse, such as rape and executions without trial due to accusations of, for example, prostitution.

The Iraqi regime's treatment of women would, I think, shock any decent human being. We are not seeing just isolated incidents. This abuse of women in Iraq constitutes part of Saddam Hussein's policy of political oppression by brutality. So many cases of human rights abuse in Iraq are related directly to Saddam Hussein's determination to hang onto power by violent means. Let me give the House just a couple of examples that have been highlighted by Amnesty International's report on Saddam Hussein's human rights record. These examples are recent examples; these are not incidents that occurred a long time ago. In October 2000—that is, not much more than two years ago—dozens of women accused of prostitution were beheaded without judicial processes. The killings were reportedly carried out in the presence of representatives of the Ba'ath Socialist Party and the Iraqi Women's General Union. Members of Feddayi Saddam, which is a militia created in 1994 by Uday Saddam Hussein, used swords to execute the victims in front of their homes. Victims reportedly were also killed for political reasons. We also know that women have been raped in custody. Some have been detained and tortured because they were relatives of well-known Iraqi opposition activists. The security authorities used this method to put pressure on Iraqi nationals abroad to cease their activities.

Mrs Crosio interjecting—

The SPEAKER —The member for Prospect!

Mr Fitzgibbon —Some have been denied refugee status. Some died on a sinking boat.

The SPEAKER —I warn the member for Hunter! The minister has the call.

Mr DOWNER —For example, in 2000 a former army general who fled Iraq in 1995 and joined the Iraqi opposition was sent a videotape showing the rape of a female relative. We know from these examples and from Iraq's political system—which is, of course, dominated by Saddam Hussein himself—that the appalling treatment of women is systemic and that treatment comes right from the top. We cannot remind ourselves often enough why the international community—and I think this is an absolutely fundamental question—should deny somebody who behaves in this way, who treats women and his population generally in such an appalling way—

Ms Plibersek interjecting—

The SPEAKER —The member for Sydney is warned!

Mr DOWNER —The consequences of somebody like that having chemical and biological weapons and perhaps even nuclear weapons is not a minor issue. There are an enormous number of interjections, I find, whenever you talk about these issues, as though Saddam Hussein does not matter. But I do think this obviously is a difference between the two sides of the House. We on this side of the House feel very strongly about this; it is a profoundly important issue. For those on that side of the House it is, apparently, a matter for almost constant chatter.

dfat.gov.au