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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (921)	3/21/2003 4:37:41 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Respond to of 21614

<<if the US had intelligence that said WMDs were in iraq, then we should be able to locate them now>> Given the fact that the country is the size of California I would expect it to take some time to find hidden weapons. Furthermore I'd say its a better idea for our troops to focus on their own safety as opposed to looking for weapons. Job 1 has got to be to take over the country and make it safe for everyone. The weapons will be found even if only in modest numbers. I found the story below interesting given the fact that France was opposed to the war. Here I was under the impression that they were totally safe because they didn't get involved.....guess not French investigators probe Islamist connection in ricin find Fri Mar 21, 8:31 AM ET PARIS (AFP) - French anti-terrorist investigators examined bottles containing traces of the deadly poison ricin which were found in a locker at a busy Paris railway station, amid growing speculation that the find was linked to Islamic militants. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy told reporters there could be a connection with nine suspected members of the so-called "Chechen" network who were detained around the capital in December, though he warned there was so far no proof. On January 5 British police found traces of ricin in a raid on a London flat during which five men of North African origin were detained, and Sarkozy noted that instructions for making the poison have been found among documents issued by the al-Qaeda network. French police found the chemicals in a left-luggage locker on Monday after being tipped off by staff at the Gare de Lyon, which serves lines to southeastern France. Under stepped-up security arrangements linked to the war on Iraq (news - web sites), luggage-lockers are routinely searched if they are left unopened for more than three days. Sarkozy said the bottles contained acetone and ethanol -- two chemicals used for manufacturing ricin -- and also traces of the poison itself, though "in non-lethal quantities." Investigators were Friday analysing security video footage and questioning station personnel for clues. Swabs were also being taken of the bottles for DNA samples and fingerprints. In December French police acting under top anti-terrorist judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere made two swoops in the Paris suburbs of La Courneuve and Romainville, detaining nine suspects and uncovering empty gas canisters, chemicals and electronic materials that could be used for a detonator. Interior ministry officials said at the time they believed they had foiled an attack on Russian interests in France to avenge the killing of Chechen hostage-takers in a Moscow theatre last October. Several of the group were said by investigators to have spent time in Chechen training camps in the lawless Pankissi valley in Georgia and to have associated with known leaders of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al-Qaeda network. One of the members -- Mirouane Ben Ahmed, 29 -- was reported to have been in touch with another Algerian Rabah Kadre, who was one of those charged in Britain last month in connection with the London ricin find. "When they found the ricin in London there was the equivalent of two Nivea pots missing," said a magistrate close to the investigation in Le Figaro newspaper. "Maybe we shouldn't be too hasty to make the link between the British Islamists and the Romainville group -- who did know each other -- but clearly there is a lead worth chasing," he said on condition of anonymity. There was no indication the find was connected to the US-led war on Iraq, though French police and security forces are on a state of high alert to prevent attacks on US or British targets.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (921)	3/21/2003 4:42:07 PM
From: Dr. Doktor	Respond to of 21614

<If they don't find anything to indicate diabolical weapons manufacturing going on, then there will be no defense against the "Bush is after oil" argument the europeans use. I'm beginning to wonder if thats all this is about myself.> That's already been proven with the Iraqi's firing banned weapons at Kuwait. I could care less if we kill Saddam and his entire family just to see what kind of pretty pattern their blood and body parts make in the sand. Anybody who can't see that has no business bitching about the war cause they are supporting and protecting a mass murder. Bye Bye Saddam - Long live a free Iraq. The Iraqi people must never let themselves be oppressed again. LET'S ROLL DOC

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (921)	3/21/2003 4:43:52 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

<< if the US had intelligence that said WMDs were in iraq, then we should be able to locate them now, it seems to me. >> Such wisdom! OK. Let's say that I've hidden a gallon of bacteria someplace in Texas. How many hours is it going to take you to find it? << If they don't find anything to indicate diabolical weapons manufacturing going on, then there will be no defense against the "Bush is after oil" argument the europeans use. >> The UN has had sanctions on Saddam Hussein for many years, because of Saddam's refusal to stop his weapons programs. Hello....... is anyone home?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (921)	3/21/2003 4:58:14 PM
From: Logain Ablar	Respond to of 21614

Lizzie: If you really believe this you should ask yourself why our troups have protective chemical clothing and masks and have been using them. If our military did not believe Sadamn had these weapons they would not be going thru this exercise especially when they are in the field.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (921)	3/21/2003 5:20:13 PM
From: Rick McDougall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (921)	3/23/2003 9:33:20 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 21614

'Huge' Suspected Chemical Weapons Plant Found in Iraq foxnews.com My earlier conversation with Lizzie Tudor: << if the US had intelligence that said WMDs were in iraq, then we should be able to locate them now, it seems to me. If they don't find anything to indicate diabolical weapons manufacturing going on, then there will be no defense against the "Bush is after oil" argument the europeans use. I'm beginning to wonder if thats all this is about myself. >> OK. Let's say that I've hidden a gallon of bacteria someplace in Texas. How many hours is it going to take you to find it? << Assuming I have intelligence that says you have bacteria... and I then use that intelligence to justify a hugely expensive war, I would say about 1/2 hour. >> So....... it would take you 1/2 hour to find a one gallon jug hidden somewhere in Texas? "Wise is the woman perceived a fool that says nothing, then the woman that opens her mouth and removes all doubt."