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To: long-gone who wrote (94175)3/22/2003 9:31:42 AM
From: Enigma  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116815
 
<<There is a 2nd group, who don't hate war, they only hate the USA & or Bush. The 2nd deserves no voice in the war discussion as they aren't even being honest>>

So that's it in your black and white world Richard? There are millions in America who agree with me and others like me. They're against (this) America's disregard for international law, alliances. They're for a different America which supports these ideals. They're against the massive campaign of lying and deceit - 20 lies at least in Bush's address when war was launched - repeated lies using perverted intelligence material. No wonder the intelligence community is disgusted by the way their information is being misused. You may not have taken in that the Head of US Counter-Terrorism has just quit. He's kept fairly mum about his reasons, but the feeling is that he's protesting against the perverted use of intelligence material.

So now we're engaged in a propaganda war - Rumsfeld saying there are only light civilian casualties in Bagdad - pictures of Iraqis pulling down Sadaam's poster. Never mind the casualties elsewhere - the use of napalm, etc. - the intergrated reporters can't get there and if they do won't report it.

Lost in all this will be the illegality of the war itself. Diplomacy was never an option for America - it paid lip service to it - but the guys in control have been planning this since 1996.

You say that you'll call for Bush to resign if there are no WMD. Tell that one to the marines! You can be quite sure that some will be 'found' - planted or not. The fact that they were never going to be used and that the neighbours felt in no way threatened will be lost in the trumpeting of justifications.

When America abuses its role as the World's Sole Superpower it has to be opposed, MUST be opposed. Regime Change is a dangerous precedent for all nations - on the receiving end or on the giving end. America - this America that is - has lost all moral authority.

So are you going to answer this with an insult Richard?



To: long-gone who wrote (94175)3/23/2003 5:08:26 AM
From: Gary H  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116815
 
Trying to figure out if you are an Enigma, a stigma or an ignoramus. Don't know why I thought I would have to chose, your actually all three.
You don't like war yet you would use it against two countries who have not threatened the US. The big problem with Saddam is that he has US oil under his sand.
Anything bush has to say about other counties be a threat to world peace can be more correctly said about bush himself.

"When the people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. But when the government is afraid of the people, that's liberty"

Thomas Jefferson

And if you don't think the people are not afraid of the Government, just take a look at all the protesters in the streets across America.

An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)



To: long-gone who wrote (94175)4/5/2003 7:42:37 PM
From: Sawdusty  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116815
 
"Truth is, if President Bush doesn't find WMD (or isn't smart enough to
produce a believable "throw down gun")I'll ask that he resign. "

Message 18736539

Perhaps you should be preparing your request.

"Well into the war that was supposed to rid Iraq of its alleged stockpile of
weapons of mass destruction, a senior British official admitted on Saturday
that no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons of mass destruction may
after all be found.

Making the startling confession in a radio interview, British Home Secretary,
David Blunkett, added in the same breath that he would in any case rejoice
the “fall” of Saddam Hussein and his regime — regardless of whether any
weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq or not."

Message 18802044