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To: JustTradeEm who wrote (84870)	3/22/2003 9:40:41 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Yesterday, we were treated to the CNN guy laughing as bombs fell .... This is one of the "novelties" of our "push-button" wars... These folks have never seen that kind of destructive power before, nor the concussion that is associated with it.. So it's a sense of raw power and destructive force that I believe strikes us at our most primal masculine core.. Something that many of us men spend considerable time trying to repress (with the considerable help of our more sensitive and female partners).. Tell me what it is that impresses us about a fireworks display (aside from the pretty colors and patterns).. Sit close to one and hear and feel the concussions (DC mall by the Washington Monument is a great place to understand this effect).. It's just an awe-inspiring experience and we're overwhelmed by the primal instinct in all of us for loud and powerful stimulations.. And sadly, but not intentionally, we suspend reality for a moment and forget about the people who are dying on the receiving end of that power. The families being deprived of a parent (if military), or those entire families caught in the middle of combat or mistakenly targeted and slain. War is terrible.. It stimulates the ugliest base elements in our humanity. And it's why no nation should lightly enter into such an action... And I believe that after 12 years of waiting for the terms of the first Gulf War cease fire to be fulfilled by Saddam, the US has not lightly entered into this war..... And I know very few people who are joyous that we have to put out people at risk to do so... We are simply finishing the job that was left unfinished in 1991. Hawk

To: JustTradeEm who wrote (84870)	3/22/2003 10:04:30 AM
From: Ron	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

A good time for these quotes from Eisenhower: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children... This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron." "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex." "Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it." "There is in our affairs at home, a middle way between untrammeled freedom of the individual and the demands for the welfare of the whole nation. This way must avoid government by bureaucracy as carefully as it avoids neglect of the helpless." On Charles DeGaulle: " The only hope is to produce a new and inspirational leader - and I do not mean one that is 6 ft. 5 and who considers himself to be, by some miraculous biological and transmigrative process, the offspring of Clemenceau and Jeanne d'Arc."