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To: Clappy who wrote (15284)3/23/2003 10:18:23 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Respond to of 89467
 
Long War or Short, Bond Investors May Face a Surprise (NYTimes)

March 23, 2003
By JONATHAN FUERBRINGER

MUNICIPAL bond investors are doing well this year. But
these investors, particularly those with bonds issued by
New York and other states with big budget deficits, may be
in for an unhappy surprise.

This is not a warning that investors will leave the haven
of bonds for stocks - causing interest rates to rise - if
the war in Iraq ends in a quick victory for the United
States. In fact, rates have already been rising, with the
yield on the Treasury's 10-year note up four-tenths of a
point in two weeks, to 4.10 percent.

Nor is this a cautionary note that the economy is likely to
get back on track after an American victory, pushing
interest rates higher as business investment rebounds and
demand for credit rises.

Both these postwar outcomes have been considered for months
by money managers and smart investors, so any resulting
spurt in interest rates, and an associated decline in bond
prices, should be no shock.

But not all investors have focused on state budget deficits
- which are forecast to total more than $80 billion in the
2004 fiscal year. These deficits have yet to be reflected
in the pricing of some states' municipal bonds. When the
gravity of the problem sinks in, these bonds should falter.

With a total return of 0.74 percent this year through
Thursday for Lehman Brothers' municipal bond index,
investors are not worrying yet. That return beats
Treasuries, which have a negative return of 0.10 percent,
and is better than the 0.45 percent return for
mortgage-backed securities. It is just a quarter of a
percentage point less than the return for investment-grade
bonds before accounting for munis' tax benefits, which
would make the taxable equivalent return on the Lehman
municipal bond index even higher.

Bonds issued by troubled states like New York are doing
relatively well right now, and that is the problem.
According to a performance comparison by Peter J. DeGroot,
a senior vice president in the Municipal Index and
Strategies Group at Lehman, 10-year general obligation
bonds for the state have a price return - from the rising
price of the bonds alone - of 0.81 percent this year
through February, which is not far off the price return of
1 percent for 10-year general obligation bonds nationwide.
In the last six months, the price return on these same New
York State bonds is 1.31 percent, versus the nationwide
performance of 0.77 percent. (Using price return reflects
demand for the bonds and weeds out states that have a
better total return just because they pay higher interest
rates to sell them.)

New York State has been attractive to investors, despite a
projected budget deficit of $2.2 billion for the fiscal
year that ends on March 31, and $9.3 billion for the next
year. Gov. George E. Pataki and the Assembly speaker,
Sheldon Silver both want to borrow billions with new bonds
to help bridge the budget gap but are deadlocked over how
to borrow. And New York has the third-lowest credit rating
among the 50 states, behind California and Louisiana.

The strong performance of the state's bonds so far is
partly attributable to the high yields the state has
offered to sell them, because of its poor budget history
and because it issued more bonds last year than any other
state but California.

Among the other nine states with the biggest projected
budget deficits, six - Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Texas,
Wisconsin and Minnesota - have bonds that have outperformed
the national average price return over the last six months.
The three underperformers are California, Massachusetts and
New Jersey.

But a look at New York City and California bonds show what
can happen when investors digest bad deficit news. Over the
last six months, the price return on 10-year New York City
bonds is a loss of 0.93 percent, while California 10-year
bonds show a price loss of 1.21 percent.

The budget problems of New Jersey are beginning to sink in
with investors. The price gain is 0.42 percent over the
last six months and just 0.09 percent for the first two
months of 2003.

So investors beware. There is more out there than the war
with Iraq that could upset your expectations.

nytimes.com

ME: reality should be especially harsh this summer
rising interest rates will be a horror story for an assortment of bonds
the bigdaddy will be TENS Trez Bonds
real fear could develop and spread over state muni bonds
like when California threatens and openly discussed BANKRUPTCY

/ jim



To: Clappy who wrote (15284)3/23/2003 10:19:41 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Respond to of 89467
 
outstanding ideas, KlappySyphMan
perhaps some gentleman clubs across the MidEast
traveling road shows in big Winnebagos

forget the board games
the Arab world has no tables
only tents and carpets

/ jim



To: Clappy who wrote (15284)3/23/2003 6:25:02 PM
From: T L Comiskey  Respond to of 89467
 
air dropping pretzels and beer ..might ..work
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