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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: coug who wrote (2603)3/24/2003 11:01:30 PM
From: Augustus Gloop  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21614
 
<<Like my wife's friend who has a five year old daughter and she has to continually remind her that the war footage she sees on TV is not a movie>>

A 5 year old is watching this with her mother?

Wow



To: coug who wrote (2603)3/24/2003 11:08:44 PM
From: Just_Observing  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 21614
 
Americans Stunned By US Casualties, POWs In Iraq

By Andrew Stern
3-24-3

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Crystal Kent was jolted over the weekend by news of U.S. casualties and captured soldiers, signs that the armor of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq might be cracking.

"Now that you see POWs, it feels more real," Kent, 29, of Oak Creek, Wisconsin, said on Monday. "I didn't think we'd lose this many people -- it seems like we're not as strong as I thought we were."

The news of deaths and injuries sustained by U.S. and British troops, images of Marines hunkered down in firefights, accounts of Iraqi guerrilla-style attacks and televised snippets of frightened American prisoners drove home the horrors of war for many.

"It doesn't appear to be as easy as the prewar rhetoric had led us to believe," said Diane Gilleland, 56, a Chicago education executive. "Since we're in it, I think we're going to have to push on through, but I am concerned."

A random sampling found Americans fearful, angry and even indignant at those who thought war would be easy.

"I have not been against the war and this has only made my stance a little more aggressive," said Scott Kimball, as he stopped in Louisville, Kentucky, to fill up his car with gas.

"War is hell. You can't say that the casualties were unexpected. But still it's hard to watch," said Debbie Mintor, a bank employee in Kansas City, Missouri.

"That's just a part of war, unfortunately. We had to know this going in -- war is not pretty," Carolyn Witten, 57, a visitor to Boston.

Few said they had changed their initial opinions about the war, but some had steeled themselves for a longer conflict.

UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL

"My customers say, 'Let's go get him (Iraqi President Saddam Hussein) and get it over with as soon as possible.' But it's been a little tougher than they expected it would be after the Gulf War," said Red Bullock, 67, a Cincinnati-area barber.

In contrast to the earlier war with Iraq that most Americans witnessed from an aerial perspective, or in the aftermath with images of Iraqi corpses, the current war can be viewed in real time with combat close at hand.

Images of wounded U.S. soldiers carried off the battlefield obliterated scenarios of a seemingly sanitized conflict like the 1991 Gulf War, in which 293 U.S. soldiers died.

"I can't believe anyone is surprised by the casualties," said Nicholas Anton of Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin. "If anyone thought the Iraqis were going to be flag-waving and welcoming us, they were wrong. That crazy euphoria everyone had in the beginning was very short-lived, and now people have to deal with the consequences of a real war."

Public opinions polls released on Monday showed a growing proportion of Americans believed the war would not be as quick or as one-sided as some had expected, with more than half of respondents to an ABC News/Washington Post poll anticipating a significant number of U.S. casualties.

Overall support for President Bush and his decision to go to war remained strong, at nearly three in four of those in the ABC/Washington Post survey.

Willy Dean, a 66-year-old Detroit cab driver, said he knew the war would be difficult. "It's a small country but, hey, they weren't willing to give up that easy."

Mike Mandarino, a 45-year-old New Yorker, was inflamed by the television footage showing the U.S. prisoners of war.

"Line 'em up, all the Iraqi POWs," he said. "Bang, bang, bang. We should make the whole area a parking lot and open a nice multiplex (movie theater) there."

BARBARIC IMAGES

"As far as the images of POWs, they show how barbaric these people are," said a Detroit shop owner, who gave his name only as Gus.

"When someone in your community is lost or becomes a POW, it changes your whole perspective," said Richard Dayoub, a travel agent in El Paso, Texas, near Fort Bliss, the base for some captured U.S. soldiers. "Hearing about the POWs yesterday underscores what all of us recognize and not a lot of us discuss: It's dangerous to pursue armed conflict."

"Whatever sympathy the Iraqis may have had may have been lost" by exhibiting the POWs, said Juli Liebler, a police captain in East Lansing, Michigan.

Iraqi television on Monday showed two men it said were the crew of a downed Apache helicopter. The U.S. military had earlier acknowledged losing one helicopter.

Robert Colson, a Vietnam veteran in Nashville, Tennessee, said watching the war unfold was giving him "a lot of flashbacks, knowing people are dying needlessly because diplomatic avenues were not explored fully. I can't help but feel that (U.S. soldiers) are victims of a government policy gone amok."

U.S. casualties so far in Iraq have been minuscule compared to the 58,000 who died in the much longer Vietnam conflict, but veteran Jerry Finley, 54, was braced for the worst for captured Americans. "All's fair in love and war," he said. "They knew (Saddam) wasn't a fair man from the beginning, why do you think he's going to be fair in war?" (Additional reporting by Larry Fine in New York, Joyce Armor in Chicago, Tom Brown in Detroit, Carey Gillam in Kansas City)


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To: coug who wrote (2603)3/24/2003 11:36:28 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21614
 
Hi Coug, the devastation continues and no end is in sight, which is why the market tanked today. Bush can't seem to do anything right: A Santa Rosa, CA MD wishes Bush were in Baghdad to see what he's done

Outrage in Baghdad April Hurley, MD, Iraq Peace Team

24 March 2003

Nine year old, Rana Adnan needs oxygen for a chest laceration and lung contusion with a concussion, head laceration, and shrapnel in her left arm.
In America, the saying goes goes: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

In Bagdhad, at Al Kindi Hospital Emergency, Fatima Abdullah is screaming in outrage: "Why do you do this to us??!"

Her 8 year old, Fatehah is dead, two other daughters are on stretchers wounded by a missle that crushed her uncle's home where they were staying outside Baghdad, near the Diala Bridge. An extended farming family, they have suffered with sanctions and ecomonic devastation shrinking their stock of animals to one cow, a donkey and chickens; they are barely able to feed themselves.

Muhammed, the four year old crying in her arms has cuts from shrapnel and debris criss-crossing the right side of his face and head, eyelids swollen shut.

Nada Adnan, 13 years old and a student at high school for girls, states "I wish that God would take Bush. Why did he do this to us? to me?". She has an open gash on her right cranium with underlying fracture and a large, deep shrapnel gauged cut into her upper left thigh. She has no narcotic relief and cries out as aides press guaze into her leg wound. 9 year old, Rana Adnan needs oxygen for a chest laceration and lung contusion with a concussion, head laceration, and shrapnel in her left arm.

And then there is Nahla Harbi who was a passenger driving away from Bagdad with her two year old in her arms when a military school for boys was hat and the explosion rolled the car fracturing both of her legs. Her child sustained head injuries.

Less than 100 meters from Alyermouk Hospital and a school, bombing crushed the foot of 28 year old man who was walking outside his home.

And the list keeps going on. A 70 year old man shopping for food for his family now has a compound fracture of his left upper arm, chest wound through his lung requiring a chest tube and making answers and complaints more dificult.

He has rage and opinions, just as the multitude of families do these several days. How can I explain reasons to them? They know that Bush's Administration is interested in oil control and that they have no interest in democracy for these people. Why don't
Americans know this? Why did we elect this man without human feelings, they ask.

It's not easy being an American in a Baghdad Emergency room seeing victims and their families. I wish that George Bush was here with his answers to their outrage.


Nada Adman, 13, has an open gash on her right cranium with underlying fracture and a large, deep shrapnel gauged cut into her upper left thigh.

April Hurley is a physician from Santa Rosa, California. She is currently living in Baghdad with the Voices in the Wilderness' Iraq Peace Team, a group of international peaceworkers remaining in Iraq through the war, in order to be a voice for the Iraqi people in the West. The Iraq Peace Team can be reached at info@vitw.org
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