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To: TobagoJack who wrote (30098)3/25/2003 10:26:03 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 74559
 
<[EDIT: oh, oh, the passenger across the cabin just sneezed twice, probably triggering many private thoughts around the entire cabin]>

Jay, I bet some of those without the biohazard masks were the ones who felt like idiots. But some of them would have thought the one who sneezed was the idiot. People can be right, but dead - the person who sneezed certainly being an idiot for not wearing a biohazard mask on a previous occasion but the person dying thinking that person an idiot.

It's a bit like being run over by a truck while crossing at a pedestrian crossing. One is certainly in the right and the driver was certainly an idiot. But it doesn't improve one's enjoyment of life being right.

Yes, life is a series of bets. Unfortunately, the entropy of life means we are placing no-win bets constantly, even when we don't know we are doing so. Some of those in the aircraft wouldn't have even noticed the sneezing.

I'm sure there are many people who are involved in Sar Wars right now who had no idea they were placing a bet at the moment they were infected. Certainly they didn't have a clue they were placing such a big bet by merely allowing themselves into the same airspace or even into body contact as some unknown person. Strangers are an everyday experience in all our lives nowadays. That used to be a rare event only 100 years ago. That makes every stranger a potential Trojan Horse, with the soldiers ready to leap out at the first sneeze.

It's genetic war! The virus and their host with tough DNA versus the weak clans, who are not able to carry the virus successfully and therefore must be killed off. Thus, the virus kills off competing humans who don't have closely related clan DNA, without a shot being fired or sword being swished. All that's needed for victory is a friendly kiss, of death!

Perhaps this is unwittingly a plot by some Chinese virus to rule the world, using hardened Chinese DNA to do the job, with weak Chinese to be the Trojan Horses carrying the disease on 747s around the world. That part of the war has been completed already. Now, the numbers game will see how the war goes.

It's human intelligence in the Centers for Disease Control versus the mindless quantum computing of fast moving, fast mutating, viral reproduction. Will the smart but weak humans defeat the mindless but tough viruses which use unwitting and frightened hosts to do their malevolent work.

The Matrix of Malevolence makes the Axis of Evil look like children squabbling in a sandpit.

I imagined you sitting in your innocent passenger posture wearing your mask and how I would enjoy the situation. In fact, I have had for a few years a mask for just such occasion and did wear it in an aircraft when some flu was rampant and I really didn't want to get sick. It's a full face mask, with good activated charcoal filters. Nothing is going to get me! Unless I'm not wearing it or get run over by a comet. I bought it 'just in case' I want it some time. Maybe to move fibreglass, or handle some situation requiring protected breathing. Breathing being quite a basic function and air easily polluted.

It's also fun to wear a crash helmet or face mask just to amuse bystanders. "Haahaha, look at that idiot in a face mask and crash helmet".

I can also encourage airlines to improve their air filtration. Maybe I did it because I'd been stuck in a stinking smoking cabin once and was making a point about useless airlines who don't care about their passengers. I do have a snitch on airlines for the most part. I find them almost as bad as government departments and in some respects worse.

Air quality in aircraft is dodgy at the best of times. They can improve it but it costs them money and it's not a major selling point. Oh, I think I also took my mask because they spray the air with insecticides on incoming flights to New Zealand, to prevent various bugs being imported by mistaken, which might devastate New Zealand's agriculture. I don't like being sprayed if I don't know what they are spraying me with. They don't ask my permission and don't give me information on their spray. They do it against people's will and without their knowledge [another unwitting roll of the dice].

I expect you encouraged a lot of people to think that breathing masks aren't necessarily indication of paranoid moron tendencies.

At present, the numbers infected are small, so nearly everyone is blase. But if a certain number of zeroes were behind each of the figures the World Health Organisation gives in the Sar Wars, then exactly the same ratios would have people taking evasive action. Because the risk is low, people continue to infect each other in a casual, macabre, statistical dance of death until enough human sacrifices have been offered, then we'll get serious.

By treating it lightly, the bug can wend it's way through all communities, like a Delta Force being dropped way behind enemy lines, expanding territory once positions are established and it's too late to shut the stable door. I like mixed metaphors.

It's a bit like Americans shutting cockpit doors now and checking grannies for nail clippers. It's too late. They needed to do that before Al Qaeda sauntered through the stable doors.

Singapore, as usual, is pretty much on the case. They were first with the travel warnings and first to 10-day house arrest for Trojan Horses and those who look like Trojan Horses.

Daughter Emily arrived back from Australia last night, having met boyfriend's uncle who had been hanging out in Singapore and who is Hong Kongese so no doubt knows many people from there. He was coughing and spluttering Emily told me, but boyfriend Aaron [whose Dad swam for it from China decades ago] says that's due to smoking. Maybe.

Wouldn't it be ironic if my daughter has carried the Sar Wars right into my house. As I sit in the quiet night, pixelating away intelligently in the Sar Wars drama, the enemy might be making itself comfortable in my lungs. Enemies can be cunning, even if stupid. It's an eerie paradox of life, and death.

Mqurice



To: TobagoJack who wrote (30098)3/25/2003 11:00:05 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
Speak of the devil iht.com Was that your flight perchance?

<HONG KONG The health authorities in Hong Kong on Tuesday appealed for all passengers from two Air China flights to call a health hot line after at least nine passengers on the flights fell ill with a mysterious, deadly pneumonia thought to be severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS.
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The newest suspected cases fueled fears that the disease was spreading further among travelers.
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The wide distribution of cases and severity of the illness continues to surprise health authorities around the world and has prompted Singapore to enforce the largest health quarantine in the country’s 38-year history.
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President Gloria Arroyo of the Philippines, said that her government was considering a travel ban to and from countries affected by outbreaks. “It seems the world and the area around us is getting more and more cases,” said Leung Pak-yin, Hong Kong’s deputy director of health. “This is very, very alarming.”
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In Hong Kong, the transportation hub from which the disease spread worldwide, thousands of residents have taken to wearing surgical masks in public to avoid catching a disease that turns into certain pneumonia and which doctors say is spread by droplets when people sneeze or cough. Four schools were closed Tuesday and at least six primary schools reportedly planning to close beginning Wednesday, a spokesman for the Education and Manpower Department said.
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While researchers remain divided over the cause of the disease, Leung said the treatment now being administered by Hong Kong doctors would work for all forms of the virus now under investigation. On Monday the World Health Organization reported 456 cases of the disease in 15 countries and the death of 17 infected patients in the past three weeks. In addition to those countries and territories already listed, cases have now been reported in Macau and France.
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The number of cases in Hong Kong, epicenter of the outbreak, rose by 25 on Tuesday, bringing to 290 the number of patients with suspected infections.
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Among the victims is the hospital authority’s chief executive, Dr. William Ho, the man charged with combating the spread of the disease.
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After Hong Kong, the countries reporting the most cases are Singapore with 65, Vietnam with 58, the United States with 37 and Canada with 11.
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All passengers on Air China Flight 112 on March 15 or Flight 115 on March 19 between Hong Kong and Beijing should contact the Hong Kong health authorities immediately, Leung said, warning that at least nine passengers on those flights had been infected by a patient now hospitalized in Beijing. Confirmation by Leung that a patient in China is suffering from the disease is the first acknowledgment that the disease exists in China.
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The majority of those infected in the Hong Kong outbreak were traced back to a single doctor who arrived from China’s southern Guangdong Province, but Beijing has never provided public health officials with any statistics on the number or severity of cases.
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Speaking at the World Health Organization’s headquarters in Geneva on Tuesday, David Heymann, head of com municable diseases, urged greater cooperation from China. A team of five specialists arrived in Beijing on Sunday, but Heymann said they had not yet been given permission to visit Guangdong Province.
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Heymann said that despite the continued spreading of the disease, the World Health Organization would not upgrade travel warnings. As it stands, any aircraft with a passenger exhibiting symptoms — a high fever, coughing and shortness of breath — must alert the destination airport. All aircraft passengers and crew must be informed that suspected case of the disease was on board and all should remain in contact with airport the health authorities for 14 days. Hong Kong’s chief executive, Tung Chee-hwa, was recently delayed upon returning from Beijing while health officials examined a suspected case in a fellow passenger. While health officials in Hong Kong said current measures were enough, Singapore invoked laws enforcing an infectious disease quarantine. for the first time ever.
.
Under penalty of fines reaching a maximum of 10,000 Singapore dollars ($5,800), 740 Singapore residents who may have been infected were required to remain at home for a period of at least ten days.
.
“A stronger wall is now created to break the chain of infection,” Singapore’s health minister, Lim Hng Kiang, (ok)said, adding that Singaporeans should prepare for possible fatalities among the city-state’s 65 infected patients.
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Vietnam on Monday reported two new deaths for a total of four, and Canada has had three deaths. HONG KONG The health authorities in Hong Kong on Tuesday appealed for all passengers from two Air China flights to call a health hot line after at least nine passengers on the flights fell ill with a mysterious, deadly pneumonia thought to be severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS.
.
The newest suspected cases fueled fears that the disease was spreading further among travelers.
.
The wide distribution of cases and severity of the illness continues to surprise health authorities around the world and has prompted Singapore to enforce the largest health quarantine in the country’s 38-year history.
.
President Gloria Arroyo of the Philippines, said that her government was considering a travel ban to and from countries affected by outbreaks. “It seems the world and the area around us is getting more and more cases,” said Leung Pak-yin, Hong Kong’s deputy director of health. “This is very, very alarming.”
.
In Hong Kong, the transportation hub from which the disease spread worldwide, thousands of residents have taken to wearing surgical masks in public to avoid catching a disease that turns into certain pneumonia and which doctors say is spread by droplets when people sneeze or cough. Four schools were closed Tuesday and at least six primary schools reportedly planning to close beginning Wednesday, a spokesman for the Education and Manpower Department said.
.
While researchers remain divided over the cause of the disease, Leung said the treatment now being administered by Hong Kong doctors would work for all forms of the virus now under investigation. On Monday the World Health Organization reported 456 cases of the disease in 15 countries and the death of 17 infected patients in the past three weeks. In addition to those countries and territories already listed, cases have now been reported in Macau and France.
.
The number of cases in Hong Kong, epicenter of the outbreak, rose by 25 on Tuesday, bringing to 290 the number of patients with suspected infections.
.
Among the victims is the hospital authority’s chief executive, Dr. William Ho, the man charged with combating the spread of the disease.
.
After Hong Kong, the countries reporting the most cases are Singapore with 65, Vietnam with 58, the United States with 37 and Canada with 11.
.
All passengers on Air China Flight 112 on March 15 or Flight 115 on March 19 between Hong Kong and Beijing should contact the Hong Kong health authorities immediately, Leung said, warning that at least nine passengers on those flights had been infected by a patient now hospitalized in Beijing. Confirmation by Leung that a patient in China is suffering from the disease is the first acknowledgment that the disease exists in China.
.
The majority of those infected in the Hong Kong outbreak were traced back to a single doctor who arrived from China’s southern Guangdong Province, but Beijing has never provided public health officials with any statistics on the number or severity of cases.
.
Speaking at the World Health Organization’s headquarters in Geneva on Tuesday, David Heymann, head of com municable diseases, urged greater cooperation from China. A team of five specialists arrived in Beijing on Sunday, but Heymann said they had not yet been given permission to visit Guangdong Province.
.
Heymann said that despite the continued spreading of the disease, the World Health Organization would not upgrade travel warnings. As it stands, any aircraft with a passenger exhibiting symptoms — a high fever, coughing and shortness of breath — must alert the destination airport. All aircraft passengers and crew must be informed that suspected case of the disease was on board and all should remain in contact with airport the health authorities for 14 days. Hong Kong’s chief executive, Tung Chee-hwa, was recently delayed upon returning from Beijing while health officials examined a suspected case in a fellow passenger. While health officials in Hong Kong said current measures were enough, Singapore invoked laws enforcing an infectious disease quarantine. for the first time ever.
.
Under penalty of fines reaching a maximum of 10,000 Singapore dollars ($5,800), 740 Singapore residents who may have been infected were required to remain at home for a period of at least ten days.
.
“A stronger wall is now created to break the chain of infection,” Singapore’s health minister, Lim Hng Kiang, (ok)said, adding that Singaporeans should prepare for possible fatalities among the city-state’s 65 infected patients.
.
Vietnam on Monday reported two new deaths for a total of four, and Canada has had three deaths. HONG KONG The health authorities in Hong Kong on Tuesday appealed for all passengers from two Air China flights to call a health hot line after at least nine passengers on the flights fell ill with a mysterious, deadly pneumonia thought to be severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS.
.
The newest suspected cases fueled fears that the disease was spreading further among travelers.
.
The wide distribution of cases and severity of the illness continues to surprise health authorities around the world and has prompted Singapore to enforce the largest health quarantine in the country’s 38-year history.
.
President Gloria Arroyo of the Philippines, said that her government was considering a travel ban to and from countries affected by outbreaks. “It seems the world and the area around us is getting more and more cases,” said Leung Pak-yin, Hong Kong’s deputy director of health. “This is very, very alarming.”
.
In Hong Kong, the transportation hub from which the disease spread worldwide, thousands of residents have taken to wearing surgical masks in public to avoid catching a disease that turns into certain pneumonia and which doctors say is spread by droplets when people sneeze or cough. Four schools were closed Tuesday and at least six primary schools reportedly planning to close beginning Wednesday, a spokesman for the Education and Manpower Department said.
.
While researchers remain divided over the cause of the disease, Leung said the treatment now being administered by Hong Kong doctors would work for all forms of the virus now under investigation. On Monday the World Health Organization reported 456 cases of the disease in 15 countries and the death of 17 infected patients in the past three weeks. In addition to those countries and territories already listed, cases have now been
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In the pre-emptive, self-defence attack, the virus got Dr Ho. That will not be lost on a fearful population.

I wonder if my nervous nellie words saved your bacon? Are we even?

Mqurice



To: TobagoJack who wrote (30098)3/25/2003 12:10:58 PM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
please show more respect for our financial leaders

names like Greensputin and Viceroy Bernankaput are wholly inappropriate

I prefer GreenScrotum of BerSkanky

hey, when is your next planned trip to Pennsylvania?

/ jim, a true jackass

p.s. check this out, another lengthy piece of drivel
321gold.com



To: TobagoJack who wrote (30098)3/25/2003 2:30:17 PM
From: energyplay  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
Jay - "and am amused debating whether I should pretend to cough uncontrollably, violently, and continuously for the 3 hour ride to Beijing:0) "

Don't try that - people around you might decide they would be safer if you stopped breathing, and find a way to make it happen....