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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (86815)	3/26/2003 11:54:06 PM
From: BEEF JERKEY	Respond to of 281500

Your right. I used some unfortunate language when I said the U.S.'s position in the world would be enhanced. This war is engendering strong resentments among many nations. What the U.S. will gain is even more of a stranglehold on the strategic middle east. Your right about diminishing returns - world domination is a concept that has never worked that well for those nations who persue it.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (86815)	3/27/2003 10:29:25 AM
From: Jim Willie CB	Respond to of 281500

fully agree on diminishing returns of US MidEast presence our basing in Iraq is a parallel to Soviets basing in Afghany it will serve as a stationary target for Arab bombings of all kinds e.g. artillery, suiciders, rockets, grenades it will serve as proof to Islamics that the USA is a colonialist nation seeking to grab their oil it will absolutely and totally galvanize Arab opinion against the USA and worse, it will galvanize Europe's position against the USA a new Russian-French-German axis is forming it will soon center on oil and energy supplies humanitarian efforts will not matter they do not override the deaths that preceded our invasion we think we can control perceptions and thought processes we cannot we think we can control acceptance of truth we cannot images of Baghdad crumbled marketplace now work against us even if it was an Iraqi missile the truth does not matter only perceptions do will Baghdad citizens believe Saddam's people killed them? not a chance the backroom Senate efforts to reveal forgery of UN documents on Iraqi WMD dont matter after the war begins, only deaths matter after a while, nobody will remember or care why we entered their country and began a war what disturbs me just as much is the pervasive sentiment across the USA that we are entitled to get that oil, because WE NEED IT images of dead children bearing rifles are next images of dead women killed as human shields will be next except the men using them as shields will not be in the photos this war is about four things: 1. securing oil before the next Arab oil boycott 2. securing airbases before the Prince Sultan Airfield in Saudi is shut down to US Forces 3. stemming the flow of Petro-Dollars into Euros and EuroBonds 4. finding and removing Weapons of Mass Destruction I expect a complete mess shattering all expectations when we lay siege to Baghdad it will not fall, not now, not next month, not next year the only way it will fall is if USA drops a nuclear bomb on it this will turn into Stalingrad Part Deux except the whole world is watching lastly, how long before we see LIVE from EMBEDDED REPORTERS, telecasts of a reporter getting his head blown off ??? I say one week / jim