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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (87104)	3/27/2003 7:40:14 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

When the French face an Intifada from their Muslims who want to impose Sharia in Marseille, when suicide bombers destroy Paris cafes, then they will identify with Israelis Suicide bombers already tried to destroy the Eiffel Tower, and they just found ricin in a Paris locker. Didn't seem to shift either the sympathies or the policy one iota. You really think a successful attack would make any difference?

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (87104)	3/27/2003 8:19:35 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

When the French face an Intifada from their Muslims who want to impose Sharia in Marseille, when suicide bombers destroy Paris cafes, then they will identify with Israelis. While I was living there, there were two waves of Metro and other bombings by Algerian Islamists, in 1995 and again in 1997. Let me tell you it was serious shit. During the Christmas season, le plan Vigipirate was on, and you'd see armed soldiers walking around luxury department stores on Bvd Haussmann..... they modified the cars on the metro and RER to eliminate any place to stash a backpack under the seats, conventional public trash barrels were eliminated (resulting on trash laying around the streets for a while), etc. Before this, Islamists hijacked an Airbus with the intention of flying it into the Eiffel tower, but were fortunately outsmarted and taken out in a stopover in Marseille. The French know pretty well what the score is with these kinds of things.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (87104)	3/27/2003 11:36:52 PM
From: kumar	Respond to of 281500

Only when they see themselves as potential targets, will they identify with the dead perhaps, if you put yourself in a situation like young Iraqis or Palestinians or Lebanese or Kashmiris : From the time they were born, they have heard only 1 message - to fight an aggressor - (over a 30-50 year period). then maybe u might give some thought to their POV. Concepts of "fair play", "democracy" ya-de-ya-de-ya-da are fine when there are not other issues that affect your survival. Like I said before, it usually takes 1 post-conflict generation, to turn things around. If any country expects a miracle-fix in a year or 2, with any of the situations mentioned above, they will be sadly mistaken in their diagnosis.