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Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: stockman_scott who wrote (15915)	3/28/2003 12:48:28 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Increassingly I see the likelihood of no endgame. The guerilla warfare that Saddam is mounting with its goal of maximizing US casualties differs little from an Islamic insurgency campaign in the post-Saddam period. While there may be some question about the degree of sacrifice for Saddam However, historian Stanley Karnow says the Vietnam experience raises a tough question for Iraq's guerrilla fighters: How many are willing to die for their cause? In his interviews with North Vietnamese and Viet Cong commanders after the war, he says, they told him they would have been willing to sustain unlimited numbers of casualties, and fight for five or 10 years more -- anything so as not to be defeated by the Americans. If Iraqis loyal to Saddam Hussein are willing to die en masse, as the Vietnamese were, then the U.S. is in trouble, he thinks. But the tactic won't be so successful if they aren't. From Message 18765330 there should be no question about martyrdom for Islam. Getting Saddam won't be easy. By the time it is accomplished a pattern will be set, that renders Saddam irrelevant. The same sort of warfare is likely to continue unabated. The neo-cons will be left saying "Wha Happened?" 'Course given their proclivities, they'll soon find a scapegoat. Probably be those anti-war pacifists that "stabbed the military in the back". You know - standard party line stuff. JMO lurqer

To: stockman_scott who wrote (15915)	3/28/2003 3:55:47 PM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

I sense desperation for oil, as Arab boycott threatens my guess is that an Arab oil action against the USA was months away some may question such paranoia but I expect the Saudi Govt not to last much longer our presence in Prince Sultan airbase destabilizes the royal family like nothing before in its previous 50 yrs fundamental Wahhabism is growing in strength inside SA our days on that base are numbered attacking Iraq under the thin guise of Weapons of Mass Destruction is laughable at worst, very questionable at best but it opened the door to our attack and it enables us to secure three precious quantities: 1. oil supply 2. airbases 3. continued dollar link to oil the only WMD that I see are delivered by US Forces when anyone hears or sees any owned by Iraqis, let's certainly take note in a few weeks, it wont matter because by then, we will be fighting because other soldiers fighting earlier were killed this is insane I am ashamed to be an American / jim