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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (87583)	3/29/2003 3:22:12 AM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

Shouldn't you be in bed? <s> We're in far more agreement than disagreement. We're "arguing" the 0.01% differences. True union will be a long time away, but there is no reason why we cannot accelerate its creation. Accelerate? I'd be thrilled if we could just get it back on track. <s> Prior to this Administration, I thought we were actually making some progress, albeit painful. It's been demonstrated how fragile progress is. Two steps forward, 6 steps back. That cannot be done so long as there are those who believe selfish and conceited behavior in the name self-interest is a viable policy. I think this is one very large constituency. A non-war example: subsidies and tariffs. There is only the beginning realization that agricultural subsidies and trade tariffs are economically poor policy, they are a curse upon the third world that helps keep those countries in poverty. Perhaps I should be more optimistic that even the beginning realization is there. jttmab

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (87583)	3/29/2003 4:06:14 AM
From: NightOwl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Try as the neo-cons or the realists may do, they will not be able to succeed. The only solution is to work towards establishing international bodies that in effect create a global federation of states. True union will be a long time away, but there is no reason why we cannot accelerate its creation. That cannot be done so long as there are those who believe selfish and conceited behavior in the name self-interest is a viable policy. Sun Tzu My goodness Sun Tzu! I bow to the superior optimist. <g> I assume you would agree that not even the convicted Warlord would consider his/her "self-interest" as being supported by "selfish and conceited" policies. They are so supported of course. But only in the minds of the Warlord's enemies, never in his own thoughts and perceptions. In that regard the Warlord is no different from any other Human. We are all self-centered and conceited, and given the choice we will in fact conduct ourselves in that manner. Slowly but surely every nation has replaced this plunder and pillage attitude in their country with the rule of law. If by "plunder and pillage" you mean getting what you want when you want it, I just don't see any change in the nature of humanity at least since at least 500 B.C. <g> And I can assure you, with absolutely NO fear of contradiction whatever, that this notion of "the rule of law" is a complete and utter fiction. Not unlike your "faith" in the value of that "green paper" you use to buy groceries, it is a perception hanging by a very slim thread. <Hoo> 0\|0