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To: c.horn who wrote (381889)	3/29/2003 9:05:31 PM
From: A. Geiche	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

c.horn -- It is you who are arrogant and stupid here. I do not belong to the enviromentalists' movement and for long time my activity did not relate to this issue. But at one time it did. I observed rivers and lakes, small and large, that just a few years ago were beautiful and abundant with life -- and thus for many-many millenniums -- and that were just devastated with industrial sewage and then returned to the life and beauty back when they began to process the sewage. Do you, idiot, have any sound idea that just a gallon of such sewage thrown in a pond can kill there all life?? The American right wing idiots are indeed dangerous creatures. ag

To: c.horn who wrote (381889)	3/29/2003 9:14:36 PM
From: Land Shark	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

>I don't believe you can destroy the earths environment That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You're an expert in these thing? Industrialization only came about 80 years ago and modern day pollution came with it. The Earth's environment is being challenged in a greater way than it's ever been before... I grant you that ultimately the environment would recover after Man phases himself out (which is a distinct possibility). Scientists are raising alarm bells about mass extinctions which are just around the corner, thanks to global warming and habitat destruction. The crap we're throwing at it is damaging to our health. We are part of the environment. You should study a little bit about it. Of course, politics doesn't impair your judgement. Nah! Corporations do everything in Mankinds interest and technology will solve everything.

To: c.horn who wrote (381889)	3/30/2003 8:33:02 AM
From: Rock_nj	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Take a look at what the environment in the U.S. looked like back in the 1960s before the environmental movement took hold. A river in Clevland caught on fire every year because it had so much pollution. Streams, once considered completely dead, are now fishable and swimable. Cities like New York and Los Angeles that were choked in smog in the early 1970s are much improved since then. That is the real world that we all live in. You're making Rush Limbaugh's wacko argument (which is exactly the propagandization the elites want you to have) that mankind isn't significant enough to impact the environment, when the examples I gave above are real examples that show that man was impacting the environment and by changing our ways we have cleaned up the environment. It's the environment that we all live in day to day and I for one would like to see it remain clean for quality of life purposes and for future generations. Granted, on a really large scale, mankind doesn't have much impact. Earth will survive one way or another, no matter what we do to it. And yes, many species have gone instinct long before man showed up on the scene. That's just natures way; I'm not so concerned about that. But, I am concerned about my and my children's quality of life and would therefore like to see us progressing towards a cleaner environment. The impact on jobs has been minimal; that's a straw-man arguement against environmental protection. The U.S. economy's growth and job growth have been enormous since the environmental movement took hold thirty years ago. We just experienced the strongest decade of economic growth in our nation's history during the 1990s. Some jobs have been lost as a direct result of the enviornmental movement, but many have also been created. I'm just about to start working for an environmental company in a few weeks. And in any case, job losses occur for many many reasons that have nothing to do with the environment. Sometimes technologies change, like when the automobile displaced blacksmiths. Or, sometimes economic conditions change, like when NAFTA went through and the cost of doing business in Mexico suddenly decreased significantly. I'm all for doing environmental protection in a reasonable manner that takes into consideration things like job losses and economic impacts. But, Rush's bashing of the environment and wanting us to return to a less civilized time is not the way I think things should progress. I'm not buying his propaganda.