To: Jamey who wrote (34869 ) 4/1/2003 5:22:06 AM From: 2MAR$ Respond to of 39621 It seems that the old saying, "there are no atheists in foxholes" is very significant in this case. Without some Religions and their "Holy Elect" , and warring churches and sects , the common men would not have had to dig so many foxholes....or die in them. You did not like or approve of Tom Jefferson's critical appraisal of Saul ? Seems you could do away with 2/3rds of your religion and it's obscurrism, and still not be getting back to the original simple "word" . I'll let you think about it a bit. see bottom quote:Message 18773176 It is not to be understood that I am with him [Jesus] in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentance towards forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it, etc. It is the innocence of his character, the purity and sublimity of his moral precepts, the eloquences of his inculcations, the beauty of the apologues in which he conveys them, that I so much admire; sometimes, indeed, needing indulgence to eastern hyperbolism. My eulogies, too, may be founded on a postulate which all may not be ready to grant. Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore to him the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of his disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus.