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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: H-Man who wrote (5777)	3/31/2003 10:22:42 AM
From: Enigma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

I don't know how many of these fractious Iraqi ex-pats will be acceptable to the people back home - especially as so many are on the CIA payroll.

To: H-Man who wrote (5777)	3/31/2003 10:30:48 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

I never said Frisk was not credible Good. Then take a look at these: The war of misinformation has begun news.independent.co.uk The inhabitants of this little laneway in Zukah are none too happy about the way they have been targeted and I wasn't so certain that they were as keen to be "liberated" as the Americans might like to think. news.independent.co.uk But the sheer amount of military and statistical detail coming from the Iraqi authorities is beginning to make the US Centcom information boys look like chumps. On Sunday, the Iraqi Minister of Defence, General Sultan Hashim, gave a remarkable briefing on the war, naming the units involved in front-line fighting – the 3rd Battalion of the Iraqi army's 27th Brigade was still holding out at Suq ash-Shuyukh south of Nasariyah, the 3rd Battalion of the Third Iraqi Army was holding Basra. And I remembered how these generals gave identical briefings during the terrible 1980-88 war against Iran. When we set off to check their stories then, they almost always turned out to be true. Does the same apply now? General Hashem repeatedly insisted that his men were destroying US tanks and armour and helicopters. This was easy to dismiss – until videotape of two burning US armoured personnel carriers popped up on the television screen. Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan has been obliging enough to explain the Iraqi army's tactics. It was Iraqi policy to let the Anglo-American armies "roam around" in the desert as long as they want, and attack them when they tried to enter the cities. Which seems to be pretty much what they are doing. (...) It looks as if the Americans and British are bleeding to "liberate" a people who are not all that keen to be liberated by the Americans and British. argument.independent.co.uk Tens of Palestinians to be precise. Selective perception to this degree is one of the symptoms of schizophrenia, did you know? You seem to have missed the OTHERS than the "Tens of Palestinians: A witness at the Syrian al-Tanaf border crossing with Iraq confirmed to United Press International earlier this week that "buses carrying volunteers from Syria and other Arab nationalities," including Lebanese, Sudanese and Algerians, have crossed into Iraq since the war started on March 20. "There is not a single (Iraqi) refugee," said a Syrian border officer. "Those who are going to Iraq, mostly Iraqis and from various Arab nationalities, outnumber those who are coming." Here is another article. All but a handful of the people waiting outside the sandstone embassy building yesterday were Iraqis living in Jordan. Jordanian officials say about 5,000 Iraqis have returned to their country since the onset of the Anglo-American invasion. Some are travelling to be with their families. Others say they will fight the invading forces, although they do not talk of a willingness to carry out suicide attacks. Kathem Abbas, 32, said he would go straight to his hometown, Samawah, which is close to Nasiriya, and has been the scene of fighting. He said his only purpose in leaving Jordan after 18 months working as a builder was to resist the invasion. "I want to fight America," he said. "God is with us in this war and America brings only evil, the ultimate evil, and I will fight them. With God's help I will fight America to the end." Mr Abbas served in the Iraqi army for three years and took part in the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. He said this experience was all the military training he needed, and his AK-47 is in the family home in Samawah. Mr Abbas will return to Iraq with his cousin, Alawi Barakat, 28, another veteran of the last Gulf war. He said pictures of civilian casualties of the air raids on Baghdad, shown repeatedly on al-Jazeera, the Arab satellite channel, had pushed him to return. "I cannot forget those pictures on al-Jazeera, the wounded woman in the hospital with the bloody child on her knee. The Americans are degrading all of us Arabs by committing these evils," he said. dailytelegraph.co.uk I am sure you can find others. Google is your friend.