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To: HH who wrote (88306)3/31/2003 12:26:18 PM
From: michael97123  Respond to of 281500
 
HH,
Many words to describe how to separate germany from france. Must be chirac's greatest nightmare that after all this, he might have to be put back into the box. When the Germans get the keys back, they may ground chirac for quite sometime. mike



To: HH who wrote (88306)3/31/2003 1:15:46 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The concept of a hegemenous (sp), united EU as a world power is another casualty of this war.

With some EU countries supporting the war and some opposing it, with France reportedly threatening Turkey that it would not be allowed to join the EU for a generation if it allowed US ground forces to use Turkish soil for ground troops moving into Iraq, Europe is splintered, and won't recover for at least a generation.



To: HH who wrote (88306)3/31/2003 1:25:34 PM
From: Sun Tzu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
I love the description of France and its differences with Germany:

Think of France as a kid who loves and knows basketball -- how to dribble, shoot and make plays as well as anybody in the world -- but who stopped growing at 5 feet, 5 inches.

In fact I'd say that kid did not just stop growing, he stopped growing up. France will be the undoing of EU, just as I believe Bush & Co. are the undoing of America. It is interesting to note that in the months prior to EU and for some time after that, most Europeans believed in EU under the banner of Germany and did not care much for France. It was the Germans who realized EU would not happen without granting a bigger role to France and gave it to them, while most of Europe thought, "we don't give a damn how France feels about it. They'd better realize their the same as everyone else".

ST