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To: LLCF who wrote (30522)	3/31/2003 10:59:13 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

No, we PUT Sadam in power... our track record is exactly why IMO it simply doesn't work to impose our [ill]will. GEEZUS!!!! I'm SO SICK of that @#$#@$@#$~ argument!!! It's SO STUPID!!! WHO CARES who put him into power!!!.. I don't care.. why should you??!!!! What I care about is WHAT HE HAS DONE, and WHAT HE WILL DO, given the opportunity!! I don't care who sold him weapons, chemical manufacturing capability, or anything else.. What I care about is that he's OUT OF CONTROL, outside of the US being required to keep its "thumb" on him, having to base forces in the region to defend Saudi Arabia (and providing justification for fanatics like Bin Laden to attack the US)!! He has NO RESPECT for the UN demands that he comply with the cease fire agreement that permitted him to retain power. He has NO RESPECT for the United Nations, the United States, or any other friggin' nation opposing his desire to dominate and militarize the region... I wish he wasn't there.. I wish the Russians hadn't sold him weapons. I wish the French hadn't sold him nuclear reactors and weapons.. I wish the Germans hadn't sold him chemical manufacturing equipment and weapons.. I wish the US hadn't sold him medical biological samples that could be engineered into bio-weapons. I wish he had not invaded Kuwait or threatened to invade Saudi Arabia in 1994. But all of this is water under the bridge and we can't change the past, only the future. And if the US is solely responsible, as you stupidly claim, for his being in power, then IT'S OUR RIGHT TO TAKE HIM OUT OF POWER AND CORRECT OUR MISTAKE!!! First of all it really must be agreed apon and acceptable to some international body [currently the UN would fit the bill] or it won't be viewed as ligitimate internationally. So in the long run would be doomed to failure. Does that have to be unanimous? Or would any dissident state opposing any such action nullify it's legitimacy?? And when was the last time the UN voted to use military force against another country?? (NEVER).. The UN has had 12 years to disarm Saddam. And it wouldn't have even been doing what it was doing over the past 4 months had it not been for the US forcing the issue.. So so much for your "heroic accomplishment".. The UN wasn't reimbursing the US for the coercive measures that was intended to put some spine in the UN, and motivate it to enforce it's binding resolutions, while "encouraging" Saddam to comply. Had the UN been more willing to advocate using force, it's possible that Saddam would not have been inclined to think he could "play" the UN, delaying, obfuscating, and giving only "grudging cooperation" like he had in the past... So fuck the UN LLCF.. Fuck 'em... Fuck France and Russia and their multi-Billion dollar oil deals Saddam waves under the noses to enforce their support... Fuck 'em all.... It's THEIR GAMES and putting their individual economic interests over the international good, which has led the US to take this action with a "coalition of the willing".. If, as you assert, we put him in power, then why the hell are we bothering with the UN?? Geezuss.... Hawk

To: LLCF who wrote (30522)	4/1/2003 11:17:53 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 74559

We didn't put Saddam into power, the Soviets did. You could look it up. FAQ: Who was the major supplier of arms to Iraq? Table here - #1 Soviet Union, %57 of share; #2 France, %13 of share; # 3 China, %12 of share; # 4 Czechoslovakia, %7 of share; #6 Brazil, %4 of share; # 7 Egypt, %2 of share; # 8 Romania, %1 of share; # 9 Denmark, %1 of share; # 10 Libya, %1 of share; # 11 USA, %1 of share. projects.sipri.se