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To: LLCF who wrote (30537)	4/1/2003 1:46:40 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

"If that means there will be a lot of casualties, then there will be a lot of casualties." <<Now the 5.000 to 10.000 casulaties is a real possibility>> President Bush had a message for Iraqis in a speech which he made in Philadelphia. "We are coming with a mighty force to end the rule of your oppressors ... We will not stop, we will not relent until your country is free," he said. <<Bush won't pull back>> ... ... One senior Central Command official said the military was ready to pay a "very high price" in terms of casualties to take Baghdad. <<Of course, it is the small guy out there -the bargain chips- who's going to get killed. "We're prepared to pay a very high price because we are not going to do anything other than ensure that this regime goes away," the official said. "If that means there will be a lot of casualties, then there will be a lot of casualties." The Pentagon said the United States had fired 700 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 8,000 precision-guided munitions at Iraqi targets since the war began, 3,000 in the past three days. It flew 1,000 air sorties in the past 24 hours alone. ... asia.reuters.com

To: LLCF who wrote (30537)	4/1/2003 4:04:54 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

"<And when was the last time the UN voted to use military force against another country?? (NEVER)..>" what about Gulf war I?!? ("...in a response to aggression against the member of etc etc")

To: LLCF who wrote (30537)	4/1/2003 6:05:22 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Just chronicling our track record. Yesterday it was anyone who would wave a finger at Russia, today it's anyone who claims to have found al Qaeda dung on one of their mountain passes: Oh BS!! You're just trying to avoid acknowleging any points whereby this war is justified by using straw man logic... And that's just intellectually dishonest.. Saddam had his chance. He was "bad", invaded a friendly country, was defeated, cheated on the cease fire agreement, lied about his chemical weapons caches until 1995, has over 16 UN resolutions it has refused to comply with... etc.. That's was MORE than ample opportunity to "shape up".... Since he hasn't done so, he's in violation of the cease fire that ended Desert Storm. That's means THE WAR IS BACK ON AND HE'S GETTING SHIPPED OUT (if he hasn't been already). Our new bedfellows [that we've never met] in Uzbekistan are slated for 45 million while their security forces are accused of outright torture of any opposition. Pakistan lines up for 75 million in C-130 Cargo planes and F16 parts. Listen.. think it through... if we sell them stuff, then we have some say in how they use it... They have to be cautious lest they embarrass us... And if they go too far, we stop selling them spare parts and their stuff stops working... If someone else sells them weapons, then we have NO control... As I said a long time ago... we simply have basic disagreements about how humans should interact. Obviously.. I look at the reality and you're viewing human relations through rose colored lenses... Humanity is pretty brutish when you let it be... And such brutishness cannot be fought with kind thoughts and endless dialogue. People like you prefer talk because "if you're talking, you're not fighting"... People like Saddam talk because they are biding their time until they catch you off-guard and can cut your throat. Hawk