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To: quehubo who wrote (88940)	4/1/2003 7:50:55 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi quehubo; Re: "Well we have plenty of armchair quarterbacks who never quick to judge the 19 year olds engaged in a war with guerrillas and women and children being forced into the line of fire." My only judgement of our soldiers is that they are doing a damn fine job given the stupid decision that our leaders made. What your post is trying to do is to generalize from "support the troops" to "support George Bush's war". Re: "So perhaps the people in this van were totally panicked and completely ignorant of what was going on, but I would be not be surprised if they intentionally ran into the post." I'm sure that those 10 civilians would have eventually been killed by Saddam anyway. From what I understand, if you run a red light in Baghdad the Baath party officials shoot up your vehicle with 25mm cannon rounds. No, the deaths in this war are on our hands not because of the inevitable mistakes that our soldiers make, but instead because this was an "optional" (i.e. preemptive) war. What did it preempt? The conversion of a billion Moslems into American hating machines? Some success. -- Carl

To: quehubo who wrote (88940)	4/1/2003 7:54:01 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<So perhaps the people in this van were totally panicked and completely ignorant of what was going on, but I would be not be surprised if they intentionally ran into the post.>> I saw where the Fedayeen told them they would be killed if they didn't run the checkpoint.

To: quehubo who wrote (88940)	4/1/2003 7:58:50 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

<<<<<So perhaps the people in this van were totally panicked and completely ignorant of what was going on, but i would be not be surprised if they intentionally ran into the post. >> A man in a position to know, said their families were being held hostage and the women were told not to stop Uncle Franks has cranked up the pressure , which is now quivering at the red line and is making a run for the front Gates of Baghdad. IMO some of the captured Generals have decided to talk, let the cat out of the bag, gave away critical locations and deployments which are now being plastered.by every aircraft , missile and gun available With the 4 th on the ground and off ship, they can be flown into position and may get to participate. Sig@tallyho.com And this recent action shows why Central Cammand wanted to prosecute Geraldo who nearly gave the action away to the enemy If this is called "bogging down" we need more of it

To: quehubo who wrote (88940)	4/2/2003 8:11:58 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

This was sent to me yesterday by someone i know. Not substantiated at all. If true, i wonder if i will get any apologies. mike 03:09 PM EST/11:09 PM Iraq: Checkpoint Deaths due to Iraqi Terror Fox just reported that the vehicle which ran a checkpoint, resulting in the deaths of many of women and children, was filled with hostages. The driver was ordered to speed up when approaching the checkpoint. Her family was being held hostage to her successful completion of the mission. Likewise, the suicide car bomber who killed 4 marines was forced to do so after threats that his family, including an infant son, would be killed. He was a member of the Iraqi military and his family received "hush money" announced as a reward. Another man was ordered to attack a different checkpoint, refused, and was killed by "Chemical Ali." All of this information is via a prominent muslim cleric from the area, Mohammed Barkir Al-Mohari, who got the information from opposition members in Njava and Karbala.