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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (7375)	4/4/2003 12:11:19 AM
From: Doug R	Respond to of 21614

Hoosiers...ack...definitely evildoers. We gotta invade.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (7375)	4/4/2003 12:21:53 AM
From: Bald Eagle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

Clear evidence of war crimes, Hoon tells MPs By George Jones, Political Editor (Filed: 05/04/2003) Allied troops in Iraq have "clear evidence" of war crimes committed by Saddam Hussein's forces, Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told the Commons yesterday. Mr Hoon raised the prospect that Iraqi military chiefs and officials of the ruling Ba'ath party could be tried after the conflict. He said British and American commanders had been "shocked" by the Iraqi regime's capacity for brutality and the killing of their own people. "Every aspect of what we do is rightly - and understandably - held up for public scrutiny. In contrast, Saddam Hussein's murderous thugs go about their brutal work out of sight of the media," he said. He did not give details of the war crimes, but officials indicated that they had been committed against allied forces and civilians. Mr Hoon made clear that the Ministry of Defence still believed two British soldiers might have been executed by the Iraqis after being captured. Last week, Downing Street withdrew the "execution" claim after a protest from the family of one of the dead soldiers, who said they had been told the men died in combat. Mr Hoon said there was "intelligence information" about the cause of their deaths but refused to elaborate further. He said war crimes had been committed against civilians opposed to the regime, particularly in Basra. British troops on the ground around Basra had been "appalled" by the "range of horror" deployed by the regime's "thugs" - torture, rape and execution - in seeking to maintain their grip on the city. Irregulars had been firing on civilians with heavy machineguns and mortars. Such "brutal suppression" was one reason the Iraqi people had greeted allied forces with caution. Mr Hoon said coalition forces had made "remarkable progress" and were tightening their strategic grip on Iraq. More than 5,300 Iraqi prisoners of war had been taken, but he cautioned MPs not to "under-estimate the task that still faced the forces. "We are engaged in an important and determined effort to convince the Iraqi people of our commitment to them - to their political security and their economic welfare," he said. Anti-war Labour MPs protested over the use of cluster bombs. Mr Hoon said they were deployed only against tanks or troops spread over a wide area and failure to use them would put British forces at greater risk. Iain Duncan Smith called yesterday for the United Nations to convene an emergency conference in Iraq to determine how the country should be governed after the fall of Saddam. Amid continuing signs of tension between London and Washington over the role of the UN in post-war Iraq, the Tory leader said a meeting with prominent Iraqis, including exiles, should be convened on Iraqi soil at the earliest opportunity. The Prime Minister's official spokesman dismissed claims that London and Washington were at odds on the issue.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (7375)	4/4/2003 12:36:15 AM
From: Sojourner Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

Yes, the US developed chem warfare during the cold war arms race. I thought it was crazy at the time. So I understood the peace movement then. However we never used them. However, I would rather us have them than Saddam or Bin Laden have them. But you seem to prefer the later 2. I have my loyalities, but not blind loyalty. I realize the good the US has done in the world, and realize what would happen if the Stalins, Hitlers, or Saddams had any technological edge in warfare. If anyone would suffer for it, I hope it is not me, but fools like you.