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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (233457)	4/4/2003 12:01:41 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

if not for saudi arabia i'm trying to think of a problem in the mid-east that does not at some point reduce to that statement. -ng- maybe i'm just not subtle enough for this game, but when a problem is so easily and widely identified, you deal with it directly, not by applying pressure indirectly. if you want to drive a nail, hit it on the head, not from the side. i agree, prosperity in turkey would be an excellent step towards a more peaceful future.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (233457)	4/4/2003 12:25:56 PM
From: zonder	Respond to of 436258

If not for Saudi Arabia the islamic party in Turkey would be a minority What? :-) Excuse me, Haim, but why do you think the current government came to power in Turkey? I would be interested to see your thoughts on the subject. Several natural disasters increased the poverty there and the clerics capitalized on that as a "sign from Allah" in their misery many were lured to the Saudi Clan propaganda. That is so very wrong that I have to stifle an urge to rant about just how little you seem to know on the subject :-) There was only one "natural disaster" - the August 1999 earthquake near Istanbul that killed more than 10,000 people. Yes, there were some "Sign from God" comments, but those were very few, in between, and widely ridiculed. Instead, Turks developed an addiction to scientific reports on TV on how earthquakes develop, how they move on a faultline, and whether they can be predicted. So much so, that the earthquake expert who was on various TV channels almost 24 hours of the day later became a politician :-) There goes your theory that Turks became more religious after the earthquake. For your information, the current quasi-religious government of Turkey came to power because Turks had it with the incompetence and especially the corruption of the other parties, all of which they tried more than once. Erdogan made a name for himself as a competent & honest guy when he ran the city of Istanbul. Turks brought his Muslim Democrat party to power after the disasters of the previous government, both economically and politically, with a senile PM who just would not quit and kept the country in limbo for months on end. Your comments on how Turks were "lured to Saudi clan propaganda" after the "disasters" is amazingly misinformed, and frankly, cannot possibly explain why in that case they did not elect the far more religious fundamentalist party of Erbakan, who got so few votes that his party is not even represented in the Parliament.