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To: jrhana who wrote (3950)	4/4/2003 1:55:51 PM
From: Jim Willie CB	Respond to of 5423

when errors of this awesome magnitude are made, the central effort then follows to support the system, not start over here is a starting list on the financial remedies: 1. allow for 20 million personal bankruptcies with tax benefits and promises of future credit 2. reneging on US federal debt to foreigners 3. eradication of 50% of the socialist safety nets 4. finance the US Military with UN funds, shared worldwide 5. eliminate all lobbyists in WashDC 6. a gold-backed dollar, or gold & silver combo like in 19th Century 7. elimination of the Federal Reserve function oversight of banks 8. elimination of IMF which takes weak economies and destroys them 9. criminal prosecution of Rubin and 100 of his closest friends 10. tolerating 20% unemployment and vast homelessness DO YOU THINK EVEN ONE STEP WOULD BE ENACTED? how about a lobbyist effort and series of referendums? if you think the people who presided and participated in creating these problems can in any way, shape, or form be part of the solution... you are crazy if you think the people who presided over the past mess can be dethroned from their offices, with newer fresher more effective thinkers replacing them... you are twice over crazy we must allow Economic Nature to handle it complete with her brutality, unbiasedness, and completeness it is called Kondratiev Winter hang onto your testicles, because this remedy will be a wild ride I doubt we will see much of anything fixed the main fixes would please Robert Malthus, mainly WAR, FAMINE, PESTILENCE if history is any teacher, it will end in World War I am a student of history and since 2000 often utterly lacking in empathy or tolerance of either stupidity or laziness YO SHEEP, KEEP LEFT FOR THE SLAUGHTER !!! MOVE ALONG those on the left line always deserve their fate first / jim

To: jrhana who wrote (3950)	4/5/2003 12:15:11 AM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 5423

"... any [solutions] of these problems dramatically elucidated?" . jrhana, . My approach would be to substitute a word for solutions, as follows. "... any [acknowledgement] of these problems dramatically elucidated?" As this pulls back the focus towards a recovery where everything broken is fixed, and makes one look at what is wrong, or going wrong, and what one can do in the now time frame. (or) in reverse order, time wise recovery - solution - reaction - survival - acknowledgement (ok) To prevent my babble from continuing i'll state a few facts. . 1. acknowledgement - needs to understand the Jim Willy CB stuff 2. survival - but this has many faces, depending on 1. . Survival can take the form of a plan, or a panic. . shelter, water, food and also of most importance is protection from harm with, - organization needed (people as leaders) also, - an exchange of value(money or barter) for material & services (sorry, i'am babbling) To make my point let me simply say "fiat money" and say that the US Dollar does a Crash & Burn. If so then the biggest impact is with foreign trade, and as Jim CB stated, the United States can null & void any debt obligations or whatever these unknowned to me, foreign connections are. But i'am focused here that survival means that a protection of the United States's wealth is at stake, and its not so much of what they have as its just pieces of paper with ink, but really a decision NOT to honor an debts to anything outside the USA that would cause its citizens to be taxed and transfer their wealth to those outside the USA. ok, If so then the USA needs to restart its industry to produce those items listed above, the shelter, water, food and protection. but, The USA is a collection of states, and if chaos and terror reigns in the USA from terrorism and a corrupted fail federal government, then each state will do the survival word. or, Why would citizens of a state in an ok condition on the road to recovery sent its wealth production to the federal government so that a state like Calif in dire straits can keep it's head above water. I think not, and if so then each state of the USA will then "dump" the federal rule to collect federal taxes, and even start up their own fiat money that only accepted in state. . survival, state by state no more The United States except by land mass connection. . This to me, any trend towards, would signal that what Jim CB has documented is on target and in the process of becoming not understood by the masses, but simply reality shoved down their throats. doug