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To: energyplay who wrote (30797)	4/4/2003 8:03:27 PM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

I thought Rumsfeld-Cheney were in exactly the same camp as Wolfowitz at least Rumsfeld... I mentioned to someone at my University (organizing an open forum on the War which I will participate in as a faculty member) that this war is most comparable to Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon which ended in disaster for both Israel and Lebanon. Israel's prime minister resigned and its defence minister was branded a war criminal by the Israeli supreme court and banned from ever being defence minister again. They just forgot to ban him from being prime minister :) He said "I hope that doesn't happen here".... "our defence minister becoming President"... :) I don't believe they will do anything serious on Palestine. That was just thrown in cynically to keep Balir happy. It won't do anything for their re-election chances. David PS in case anyone is thinking I am some left wing anti-American nut :) Mostly I've been in favor of the Likud party in Israeli politics....

To: energyplay who wrote (30797)	4/5/2003 1:10:11 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Respond to of 74559

>>Don't think a wider war will happen << Fact is, the precedence of the preemptive war is there for everyone to relish. >>Richard Perle being fired<< He did step far over the line in terms of influence peddling, so if neocons are on the retreat, they may be so for the wrong reason... >>Only thing that might change that would be both WMD and lots of the Baath party and Saddam's people in Syria.<< There's only one (proven) way to find this out, is it not? Playing it out in my mind: "hey, listen, this does not add up - 5 tons of culture material unaccounted for and VX and sarin precursors ... where th's that stuff?!" >>There will also be a roadmap for the Palestine/Israeli issue<< Yeah, I know. There's always been roadmaps - since Emperor Titus times I guess.>>Also expect the administration to push extremely hard to get this started.<< No reason, except honest intention to put an end to it? Im for it (ng). dj

To: energyplay who wrote (30797)	4/5/2003 1:30:26 AM
From: paul_philp	Respond to of 74559

Wolfowitz, Feith, Bolton are all still in favor. Rumsfeld is more neocon than nationalist. The 'agile army' is a strategy he and the Wolfman worked up together. Wolfowitz is the braintrust, if he loses favor, the neocons are gone. Of course, I think Wolfowitz is the Dean Acheson of our time so you know where I cheer from. Very few tears cried for Richard Perle in the neocon hack magazines - one note from David Frum. Silence from Kristol, Kagen and Kagan. Maybe Perle had stayed too far from the neocon tent. Paul