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To: epsteinbd who wrote (90255)	4/5/2003 1:06:14 PM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

What about Kissinger and the Kurds? Not that anyones foreign policy could ever be perfect mind you. counterpunch.org In the early 1970s, as tensions between Iran and its neighbor Iraq increased, U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger agreed to support a plan devised by the Shah of Iran to encourage an uprising by Kurds in Iraq. By 1975, Kissinger had secretly channeled $16 million in military aid to the Kurds, who believed that Washington was finally supporting their right to self-determination.

To: epsteinbd who wrote (90255)	4/5/2003 2:05:40 PM
From: Elsewhere	Respond to of 281500

Do you, Jochen Jansen, have any pertinent claim that could suggest that the liberation of Germany by the above mentioned US Liberators missed its objective (even partially), objective defined as spreading freedom, democracy, human rights and economic prosperity and self determination if democratic? The US liberation of Germany from the Nazis is a great model. I would call Iraq a success even if it only went half as well. Some key points in the German case: - Humanitarian assistance in the first years (CARE packages, Marshall plan) careusa.org marshallfoundation.org - Support of a new, democratic constitution germany-info.org usembassy.de - Social market economy and a new currency "Germany - A country study", chapter 2, subchapter "Social Market Economy" memory.loc.gov - Prosecution of Hitler regime members and denazification "Germany - A country study", chapter 2, subchapter "The Nuremberg Trials and Denazification" memory.loc.gov amazon.com #reply-18795944 It looks like the Iraqi invasion will happen in Internet time. German liberation lasted for four years (Dec. 11, 1941 to May 7, 1945). dhm.de dhm.de (short video of demolished Berlin with German, English and Russian comments) It took another four years until the constitution was passed (May 23, 1949). dhm.de (facsimile) So far the US advance in Iraq is much faster, by two orders of magnitude, compressed from years to weeks, with much less suffering of the civilians. Many single bombing nights during World War II resulted in more civilian casualties than the total Iraq war so far.