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To: paul_philp who wrote (90319)	4/5/2003 4:05:52 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

It is true that change causes pain, which can be very real pain. Your example of the early industrial revolution is a good one. Children working in mines, workers being crushed by poorly designed machines, smokestacks belching black soot, piles of slag being poured into rivers. Brown lung caused by cotton dust, black lung caused by coal dust, lung cancer from asbestos. It was horrific. Unbridled capitalism as a force of nature red in tooth and claw. Did y'all have Robber Barons in Canada? We did. J.P. Morgan's father got his fortune started during the Civil War, buying defective rifles cheap and selling them back as new. Andrew Carnegie broke a strike using Pinkerton detectives who were ordered to use violence, and even kill strikers. Personally I don't understand why people have to be so awful. Not that the Communists nor the Monarchies did it any better. Millions killed by the Communists, and let's don't forget the Belgian Congo.

To: paul_philp who wrote (90319)	4/6/2003 11:42:00 AM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 281500

Terrific post.

To: paul_philp who wrote (90319)	4/6/2003 12:49:06 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

Great writing <<The problem is that culture, society, economies are living ecosystems, always in a state of flux. Flux is the rule of the world, way more powerful than America.>>> This flux is the one that causes fear and uncertainty, within Nations, and between Nations. It is not a fear of America, who gets blamed for it, but the fear of the changes that Americas action will bring. The flux and changes would have occurred regardless of Americas actions- nuclear arming of N Korea, india, Pakistan, or economic disasters caused by loss of airline operations shut down because of Terrorists. Any Nation headed from the top down like dictatorship is in serious trouble for participation in the modern world. Our Military supremacy results from ideas flowing both ways, from bottom up, and top down, combining the best of both. It is a significant and overwhelming advantage and continues apace. N Koreas 6 mm man army will soon be worthless, and in fact a disadvantage of too many mouths to feed or clothe and arms to provide. Because we will develop methods to freeze and immobilize men in place to the point you can reach out and take the guns or triggers out of their hands before they can use them. Some major decisions will have to be made if nations are to participate in this scenario 1. Do you merely imobilize the enemy forces and end up with 6mm brainwashed killers to feed and care for and try to rehabilitate ? or 2. Do you just destroy them by conventional warfare and get rid of the problem. Scientific organizations can determine what methods are available. If the UN members cannot look past immediate profits for their countries, cannot get any visionaries on board, they will always be trying to put out fires after the warehouses burn down. Sig